coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[fergus]

> Why did you do it?

Slightly bemused, I'll treat the question seriously.
Using setup.exe, the upgrade was offered, presumably through setup.ini.
There it is (timestamp 1121177436): coreutils 5.3.0-8, replacing 5.3.0-7.

Fergus


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RE: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Dave Korn]

----Original Message----
>From: fergus
>Sent: 12 July 2005 17:59

>> Why did you do it?
> 
> Slightly bemused, I'll treat the question seriously.
> Using setup.exe, the upgrade was offered, presumably through setup.ini.
> There it is (timestamp 1121177436): coreutils 5.3.0-8, replacing 5.3.0-7.
> 
> Fergus

  Well, yes; it's a serious question, although I left the point of it
somewhat implicit, for dramatic effect! :)

  That point being, "If it aint broke, don't fix it".  You asked what was
the best thing you could have done or could do in future to avoid this kind
of problem; my answer is this:


  If you aren't under some pressing and *urgent* need to upgrade a package
because you vitally need a bugfix or new feature, DON'T!  You're on a hiding
to nothing if you do; nothing to gain, because you've already got what you
want from the package; lots to lose, because sometimes upgrades are buggy.
Leave the new releases alone for a few days after they've been announced and
see if problems crop up!  The only benefit is a warm fuzzy feeling of having
the very latest version.  That's not worth risking the costs!


  I call this "DaveK's law of installation stability" :)


    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Jon A. Lambert]

Dave Korn wrote:
>> From: fergus
>>> Why did you do it?
>> 
> 
>  That point being, "If it aint broke, don't fix it".  You asked what
> was the best thing you could have done or could do in future to avoid
> this kind of problem; my answer is this:
> 
> 
>  If you aren't under some pressing and *urgent* need to upgrade a
> package because you vitally need a bugfix or new feature, DON'T! 
> You're on a hiding to nothing if you do; nothing to gain, because
> you've already got what you want from the package; lots to lose,
> because sometimes upgrades are buggy. Leave the new releases alone
> for a few days after they've been announced and see if problems crop
> up!  The only benefit is a warm fuzzy feeling of having the very
> latest version.  That's not worth risking the costs! 
> 

I have coreutils-5.2.1-5 sitting here in my releases directory but setup 
won't let me select it.  How the heck do I get back to a working version
of coreutils.  



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Hack: fixing broken coreutils install (Was Re: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe)

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Jon A. Lambert wrote:

> I have coreutils-5.2.1-5 sitting here in my releases directory but setup
> won't let me select it.  How the heck do I get back to a working version
> of coreutils.

You should at least be able to select the "prev" version (which is
5.2.1-5).  If you want to get back to 5.3.0-7, the simplest workaround is
"cp coreutils-5.3.0-7.tar.bz2 coreutils-5.3.0-8.tar.bz2" and reinstall
5.3.0-8.  Stay tuned for 5.3.0-9.
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RE: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Dave Korn]

----Original Message----
>From: Joel Rubin
>Sent: 12 July 2005 20:39


> Go back to the previous one or, if you're really ambitious and MUST
> have the latest and greatest version, download the source and build
> the right file.

  That might be a bit tricky if you've already installed the horked
5.3.0-8.... :(


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Re: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Joel Rubin]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:30:56 +0100, fergus
<fergus@bonhard.uklinux.net> wrote:

>I have just upgraded to coreutils-5.3.0-8 and I find hat I have lost cp,
>ls, md5sum executables to name just a few. Windows Explorer shows that
>these no longer exist in /bin/. Anything I can or should do, or should
>have done differently? Nothing has altered in my setup methods: I used
>Cygwin setup in the usual way.

coreutils-5.3.0-8.tar.bz is f*cked up - it (and it seems to be the
same on two Cygwin mirrors) is a 6180 byte web page from comcast.net.
If you install it, all your coreutil progies will be uninstalled
period.

Since the source code file is around the normal size, I assume this
was unintentional.

Go back to the previous one or, if you're really ambitious and MUST
have the latest and greatest version, download the source and build
the right file.



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RE: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Dave Korn]

----Original Message----
>From: Igor Pechtchanski
>Sent: 12 July 2005 18:02

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Dave Korn wrote:
> 
>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: fergus
>>> Sent: 12 July 2005 17:31
>> 
>>> I have just upgraded to coreutils-5.3.0-8 and I find hat I have lost
>>> cp, ls, md5sum executables to name just a few. Windows Explorer shows
>>> that these no longer exist in /bin/. Anything I can or should do, or
>>> should have done differently?
>> 
>>   Well, I think the first thing you should have done differently is,
>> before you even began, asked yourself "Why am I doing this?" (upgrading
>> your coreutils, that s). 
>> 
>>   Why did you do it?
> 
> As if setup leaves you any choice.  <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#WJM>.


  You have the choice of whether or not to run setup.  As per my other post,
I defy anyone to justify, in practical cost-benefit analysis terms, the
habit of frequently re-running setup.

> FWIW, looks like the coreutils upload didn't get the actual package
> tarball -- see <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2005-07/msg00171.html>.


  LOL, that's actually quite funny!

  Fergus, you'd better rollback your coreutils until it's fixed :)


    cheers,
      DaveK
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RE: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Dave Korn wrote:

> ----Original Message----
> >From: fergus
> >Sent: 12 July 2005 17:31
>
> > I have just upgraded to coreutils-5.3.0-8 and I find hat I have lost
> > cp, ls, md5sum executables to name just a few. Windows Explorer shows
> > that these no longer exist in /bin/. Anything I can or should do, or
> > should have done differently?
>
>   Well, I think the first thing you should have done differently is,
> before you even began, asked yourself "Why am I doing this?" (upgrading
> your coreutils, that s).
>
>   Why did you do it?

As if setup leaves you any choice.  <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#WJM>.

FWIW, looks like the coreutils upload didn't get the actual package
tarball -- see <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2005-07/msg00171.html>.
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RE: coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[Dave Korn]

----Original Message----
>From: fergus
>Sent: 12 July 2005 17:31

> I have just upgraded to coreutils-5.3.0-8 and I find hat I have lost cp,
> ls, md5sum executables to name just a few. Windows Explorer shows that
> these no longer exist in /bin/. Anything I can or should do, or should
> have done differently? 

  Well, I think the first thing you should have done differently is, before
you even began, asked yourself "Why am I doing this?" (upgrading your
coreutils, that s).

  Why did you do it?

     cheers,
      DaveK
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coreutils-5.3.0-8: lost *.exe

[fergus]

I have just upgraded to coreutils-5.3.0-8 and I find hat I have lost cp,
ls, md5sum executables to name just a few. Windows Explorer shows that
these no longer exist in /bin/. Anything I can or should do, or should
have done differently? Nothing has altered in my setup methods: I used
Cygwin setup in the usual way.
Fergus


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