From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <743-406-3965@kylheku.com> Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDEFE385781A for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:11:44 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org EDEFE385781A Received: from kylheku.com ([70.79.163.252]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id XoTtlTJJVMrQqXoTulPFQS; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:11:43 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=Nv6yz+RJ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=607b16cf a=95A0EdhkF1LMGt25d7h1IQ==:117 a=95A0EdhkF1LMGt25d7h1IQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=SMorJkV_YP8A:10 a=3YhXtTcJ-WEA:10 a=vaJtXVxTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oEJBzf3tYxrlGdvcGdQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: from www-data by kylheku.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <743-406-3965@kylheku.com>) id 1lXoTt-0005sW-F7; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:11:41 -0700 To: Orgad Shaneh Subject: Re: A problem with noacl+umask+chmod result X-PHP-Originating-Script: 501:rcmail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:11:41 -0700 From: "Kaz Kylheku (Cygwin)" <743-406-3965@kylheku.com> Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com In-Reply-To: References: <1462778363.20210409044512@yandex.ru> Message-ID: <0c52611b233ea08529f35fbe880886d5@mail.kylheku.com> X-Sender: 743-406-3965@kylheku.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.2 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfGjY/e/SOqnEHEKyM+HRegs9zwMaIRrus0nx9s7aDvmfkkS7Xlzs+ZlGzb0t+GkdSK2NGr7BFBlvr5TrV7WI4tS+ZntHsobz3jz5+5O6VWq9lNH3ch5T SKQ9Wc2Q7EVzSpJHv1iIL9w9bVeR4Uk5e+zGCzM1XI/tGgD/RCwm4/3SfPMDR8vEghQvsnOxRualvmonqBZTTO90jsz/pj9e7sI= X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:11:48 -0000 On 2021-04-08 21:34, Orgad Shaneh via Cygwin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 4:50 AM Andrey Repin =20 > wrote: >>=20 >> Greetings, Orgad Shaneh! >>=20 >> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:47 PM Orgad Shaneh wrote: >> > Marco Atzeri replied to the mailing list but did not CC me, so I >> > didn't receive it: >>=20 >> The expectation is that you subscribe to the list of interest. >=20 > Why? If I report a bug, I'm interested in this bug, and I don't want > to receive dozens of emails every day about other issues. Hi Orgad, The odd thing is that you're able to post at all. The Cygwin has an inconsistent configuration: it seems to allow posts from non-subscribers, yet it removes them from the Cc: line when remailing their posting. Basically, there are two styles of mailing list: "old school" and "modern". Old school means: no Reply-To munging or anything of the sort is=20 performed. The mailing list is just a robot which redistributes an e-mail which it receives to subscribers. The Cc: line is kept intact. The e-mail can=20 come from a non-subscriber. (One type of) modern: only messages from subscribers are allowed. Messages are reposted preserving the original From. The Cc: line includes nothing but the mailing list address, in order that when the recipients perform "reply all", the message goes to the list as well as to the original author. If a "modern" mailing list style allows non-member postings, that creates confusion. The post receives replies seen by everyone on the list, but not that non-member. The reason for the modern configuration is spam. Allowing only subscribers to post drastically reduces the spam, even if no other anti-spam measures are implemented. All the mailing lists which I operate, such as the txr-users list for TXR users, are old school, though. The usability of modern mailing lists is too impaired. I believe that the modernization of mailing lists is what has contributed to the diminishing popularity of mailing lists. Having to subscribe to interact with the list is a hurdle in the usability of a forum that is already in an unpopular format. Spam can be combated in other ways, like having excellent forms of other filtering, and using list-specific tools. For instance, GNU Mailman (a very popular mailing list manager) has the feature that posts from non-subscribers can be held for moderation. > Every time you report a bug to a project on github/jira/whatever, you > subscribe to everything in this project? Without creating a github account, how do you do anything of that sort on github?