RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Perry Hutchison]

> > When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the=20
> > impression that 'install from internet' would not save the=20
> > downloaded packages after installing them.  Perhaps the=20
> > documentation (and/or the behavior of
> > setup) has changed since then.
> 
> It hasn't changed in years. Can you point me to the area of
> documentation that suggested the incorrect behaviour to you?

It's www.cygwin.com/download.html

Even now, I see nothing there to suggest that an "install from internet"
would also retain the uninstalled packages.  I visualize it downloading
a package, installing it, and then deleting the downloaded file before
downloading the next package, so as to minimize disk requirements.


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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Robert Collins]

Download from internet and install from internet share the same cache.

Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Wilkie [mailto:patawi@polarcom.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:57 PM
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No 
> such file"
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the install 
> >>>sets available?
> >>
> >>When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the impression that 
> >>'install from internet' would not save the downloaded 
> packages after 
> >>installing them.  Perhaps the documentation (and/or the behavior of
> >>setup) has changed since then.
> > 
> > 
> > For as long as I've been aware of it, Install from Internet 
> cached the 
> > package archive files just like Download from Internet.  If you can 
> > suggest an improvement in the documentation that would make that 
> > clearer for you, a change would be gratefully received.
> 
> Where are the "Install from Internet" files cached?
> 
> I've been using cygwin for year or two and have always picked 
> "Download" 
> because like Perry I assumed the first option meant 'delete 
> downloaded 
> files when done'. Does this mean I now have two copies of every 
> installation archive?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> -matt wilkie
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Robert Collins]

Yes, that page is a bit confusing. 

Chris - is this patch acceptable for the web site?

Index: download.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/cygwin/htdocs/download.html,v
retrieving revision 1.51
diff -u -p -r1.51 download.html
--- download.html	18 Apr 2002 15:24:29 -0000	1.51
+++ download.html	5 May 2002 06:34:49 -0000
@@ -14,33 +14,37 @@ setup.exe program to your computer.  Whe
 asked a series of questions for installing Cygwin on your computer.
 Using setup.exe is the only supported method for installing Cygwin.</p>
 
-<p>The setup.exe program also allows you to download the Cygwin files
to
-a directory on your computer without installing them.  By copying this
-download directory to other systems or putting it on a file server, you
-can, at a later time, use setup.exe to install directly from your hard
-disk.</p>
+<p>The setup.exe program always caches the package files that it
downloads to 
+save you time if you need to reinstall, or to install multiple
machines. If for 
+some reason you do not want to install what you download on your local
machine, 
+the setup.exe program allows you to download the Cygwin files to a
directory on 
+your computer without installing them. By copying this download
directory to 
+other systems or putting it on a file server, you can, at a later time,
use 
+setup.exe to install directly from your hard disk.</p>
 
 <p>Due to volume limitations, the Cygwin distribution is only available
from
 <a href="mirrors.html">mirror sites</a>.  You'll be prompted to choose
one
 of these during the setup.exe installation.</p>
 
-<p>If you are adventurous (i.e., masochistic) you can also download the
+<p>If you are adventurous (i.e. masochistic) you can also download the
 Cygwin distribution via ftp or http using some other program than
-setup.exe.  If you do this, note that the distribution is currently
-located in two directories: "latest" and "contrib".  That is subject to
-change at any time, though.</p>
+setup.exe. If you do this, note that the distribution is currently
+located in one directory: "release".  That is subject to change at any
time, 
+  though.</p>
 
 <p>The Cygwin distribution consists of standard UNIX .tar.gz or
.tar.bz2
 files.  Cygwin's tar + gzip + bzip2 programs can unpack these files,
 just like their UNIX counterparts however you will probably find
 yourself in a chicken/egg situation if you attempt this without Cygwin
-installed on your system (see below).  Installing Cygwin using this
-method is <em>not</em> recommended.</p>
+installed on your system (see below). Installing Cygwin using this
+method is <em>not</em> recommended. Further documentation on the
packaging
+format and setup.ini database is available from <a
href="setup.html">here</a> 
+and <a
href="http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin-apps/setup.html">here</a>.</p>
 
 <p>Note that you may be tempted to unpack the .tar.gz files with some
-Windows program like WinZip.  This will not work reliably.  Cygwin's
tar
-files are not fully understood by WinZip.  Attempting to use WinZip to
-unpack a distribution will result in a damaged Cygwin installation.</p>
+Windows program like WinZip.  This will not work. Tar files are not
fully 
+understood by WinZip. Attempting to use WinZip to unpack a distribution

+<em>will</em> result in a damaged Cygwin installation.</p>
 
 <!--#include virtual="cygwin-footer.html"-->
 </body>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Hutchison [mailto:perryh@pluto.rain.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 2:13 PM
> To: Robert Collins
> Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No 
> such file"
> 
> 
> > > When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the=20 impression 
> > > that 'install from internet' would not save the=20 downloaded 
> > > packages after installing them.  Perhaps the=20 documentation 
> > > (and/or the behavior of
> > > setup) has changed since then.
> > 
> > It hasn't changed in years. Can you point me to the area of 
> > documentation that suggested the incorrect behaviour to you?
> 
> It's www.cygwin.com/download.html
> 
> Even now, I see nothing there to suggest that an "install 
> from internet" would also retain the uninstalled packages.  I 
> visualize it downloading a package, installing it, and then 
> deleting the downloaded file before downloading the next 
> package, so as to minimize disk requirements.
> 
> 

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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Robert Collins]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Hutchison [mailto:perryh@pluto.rain.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:12 AM
> To: Robert Collins
> Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No 
> such file"
> 
> 
> > > > Why did you run a two-step install?
> > >
> > > To have the install sets available for setting up other 
> machines, or 
> > > for reinstalling this one if (when!) Windoze gets hosed.
> > 
> > Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the 
> install sets 
> > available?
> 
> When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the 
> impression that 'install from internet' would not save the 
> downloaded packages after installing them.  Perhaps the 
> documentation (and/or the behavior of
> setup) has changed since then.

It hasn't changed in years. Can you point me to the area of
documentation that suggested the incorrect behaviour to you?
 
> Anyway, I still need to find out if there is a simple way to 
> recover from this mess or if I need to wipe the whole thing 
> and start over. How do I discover what-all is corrupted and 
> needs to be replaced, and what (if anything) is still OK?

Oh sure, just try doing an install from internet.

Rob

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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Perry Hutchison]

> > > Why did you run a two-step install?
> >
> > To have the install sets available for setting up other machines,
> > or for reinstalling this one if (when!) Windoze gets hosed.
> 
> Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the install
> sets available?

When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the impression that
'install from internet' would not save the downloaded packages after
installing them.  Perhaps the documentation (and/or the behavior of
setup) has changed since then.

Anyway, I still need to find out if there is a simple way to recover
from this mess or if I need to wipe the whole thing and start over.
How do I discover what-all is corrupted and needs to be replaced, and
what (if anything) is still OK?


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Re: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Michael A Chase]

On Sat, 4 May 02 14:11:37 PDT Perry Hutchison <perryh@pluto.rain.com> wrote:

> > Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the install
> > sets available?
> 
> When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the impression that
> 'install from internet' would not save the downloaded packages after
> installing them.  Perhaps the documentation (and/or the behavior of
> setup) has changed since then.

For as long as I've been aware of it, Install from Internet cached the
package archive files just like Download from Internet.  If you can suggest
an improvement in the documentation that would make that clearer for you, a
change would be gratefully received.

> Anyway, I still need to find out if there is a simple way to recover
> from this mess or if I need to wipe the whole thing and start over.
> How do I discover what-all is corrupted and needs to be replaced, and
> what (if anything) is still OK?

There shouldn't be much to do, if any of the packages you have already
downloaded won't install, find and delete the associated the archive file
(e.g., .../release/ash/ash-20020131-1.tar.bz2 for ash) then install or
download from internet again.  This file, for example, can be found by
searching for ash* starting from the local files directory.  You can tell
which packages have installed by looking in /etc/setup for *.lst.gz .

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Re: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Matt Wilkie]

>>>Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the install
>>>sets available?
>>
>>When I read the instructions a month ago, I got the impression that
>>'install from internet' would not save the downloaded packages after
>>installing them.  Perhaps the documentation (and/or the behavior of
>>setup) has changed since then.
> 
> 
> For as long as I've been aware of it, Install from Internet cached the
> package archive files just like Download from Internet.  If you can suggest
> an improvement in the documentation that would make that clearer for you, a
> change would be gratefully received.

Where are the "Install from Internet" files cached?

I've been using cygwin for year or two and have always picked "Download" 
because like Perry I assumed the first option meant 'delete downloaded 
files when done'. Does this mean I now have two copies of every 
installation archive?

cheers,

-matt wilkie




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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Robert Collins]

Ok, to upgrade setup, download a new one from
http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Hutchison [mailto:perryh@pluto.rain.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:00 PM

> > What options did you select when running setup?
> 
> Install from Local Directory
> next screen unchanged (root C:\cygwin, all users, Unix files) 
> next screen unchanged (local pkg dir C:\download\cygwin) Here 
> it suggests upgrading setup, but doesn't provide a means to 
> do so. Select to install the newly-downloaded packages. It 
> started to install, then died.
> 
> > Why did you run a two-step install?
> 
> To have the install sets available for setting up other 
> machines, or for reinstalling this one if (when!) Windoze gets hosed.

Are you aware that 'install from internet' also makes the install sets
available?

Rob

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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Perry Hutchison]

> What options did you select when running setup?

Install from Local Directory
next screen unchanged (root C:\cygwin, all users, Unix files)
next screen unchanged (local pkg dir C:\download\cygwin)
Here it suggests upgrading setup, but doesn't provide a means to do so.
Select to install the newly-downloaded packages.
It started to install, then died.

> Why did you run a two-step install?

To have the install sets available for setting up other machines,
or for reinstalling this one if (when!) Windoze gets hosed.

> Please send in the logs from /var/log/setup.log and
> /var/log/setup.log.full.

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RE: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Robert Collins]

What options did you select when running setup?
Why did you run a two-step install?
Please send in the logs from /var/log/setup.log and
/var/log/setup.log.full.

Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Hutchison [mailto:perryh@pluto.rain.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:02 PM
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"
> 
> 
> About a month ago, I downloaded and installed a fairly 
> minimal Cygwin subset.  Tonight, I downloaded some additional 
> packages.  When I attempted to install them, setup produced a 
> message box:
> 
>     Can't open (null) for reading: No such file
> 
> Retrying the installation yields the same message.
> 
> I found a couple of mentions of this message in the archives, 
> but no explanation of what causes it or how to fix it.  (I 
> infer from the context that everyone involved in the 
> discussion knows exactly what is going on, so no explanations 
> are needed.)
> 
> Is any recovery possible, or must I wipe the entire 
> installation and start over?
> 
> BTW I tried to post this to cygwin-apps as requested on the 
> web page, but it bounced.
> 
> 
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setup fails: "Can't open (null) for reading: No such file"

[Perry Hutchison]

About a month ago, I downloaded and installed a fairly minimal Cygwin
subset.  Tonight, I downloaded some additional packages.  When I
attempted to install them, setup produced a message box:

    Can't open (null) for reading: No such file

Retrying the installation yields the same message.

I found a couple of mentions of this message in the archives, but no
explanation of what causes it or how to fix it.  (I infer from the
context that everyone involved in the discussion knows exactly what
is going on, so no explanations are needed.)

Is any recovery possible, or must I wipe the entire installation and
start over?

BTW I tried to post this to cygwin-apps as requested on the web page,
but it bounced.


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