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From: Paul Sokolovsky <paul-ml@is.lg.ua>
To: Christopher Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com>, cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re[2]: Cygwin B20 - fseek under gcc fails to reposition on text files
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 03:26:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13561.990222@is.lg.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990219093658.A29653@cygnus.com>

Hello Christopher,

Christopher Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:

[]

CF> Currently, Corinna, Mumit, and a couple of other people are the only
CF> outside contributers to the project.  Everyone else seems to be in
CF> "Cygwin doesn't work the way I think it should when I run program X.
CF> Here's the error message." mode.

    With other opinions expressed in this thread, I'd like to add
following: it's quite understood that most people are in that mode -
they are using cygwin as their tool, something like car, and are not
concerned, or able to, how it's functioning. Hopefully, that's what
you wanted - to give people nice tool, to keep balance with such toys
like msvc, delphi, etc.

    But when someone wants to fix or add something to cygwin, here
comes another problem - it's high enough threshold to be able to do
so. Even higher threshold to make it acceptable for inclusion back.
By this I mean whole technology issues - not Cygwin technology, I call
it GNU technology - configuration/setup methods, coding styles (not
just mere conventions for identifier naming / block indentation, but
modularization conventions, from source modules thru libs to
executables, etc.) And all that are obstacles to contributing. But of
course I don't say that's bad - there must be order and who willing to
contribute should know and accept it, but it requires time, and
potential contributors may not have it, just the same as developers
may not ;-) .

    Ok, I turn down considering problems of open-source
development, this is hardly appropriate place for it.

CF> I'm collecting the error messages and hope to investigate problems but
CF> the reality is that this is a volunteer effort for DJ and me.  Our
CF> real jobs don't offer much time for tracking down net problems.

CF> -chris


Best regards,
 Paul                            mailto:paul-ml@is.lg.ua


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From: Paul Sokolovsky <paul-ml@is.lg.ua>
To: Christopher Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com>, cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re[2]: Cygwin B20 - fseek under gcc fails to reposition on text files
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:02:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13561.990222@is.lg.ua> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990228230200.WrqiQAoZhsDA_d72JxP2OQXk3DyNXOj9L3iNs7GSvIw@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990219093658.A29653@cygnus.com>

Hello Christopher,

Christopher Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:

[]

CF> Currently, Corinna, Mumit, and a couple of other people are the only
CF> outside contributers to the project.  Everyone else seems to be in
CF> "Cygwin doesn't work the way I think it should when I run program X.
CF> Here's the error message." mode.

    With other opinions expressed in this thread, I'd like to add
following: it's quite understood that most people are in that mode -
they are using cygwin as their tool, something like car, and are not
concerned, or able to, how it's functioning. Hopefully, that's what
you wanted - to give people nice tool, to keep balance with such toys
like msvc, delphi, etc.

    But when someone wants to fix or add something to cygwin, here
comes another problem - it's high enough threshold to be able to do
so. Even higher threshold to make it acceptable for inclusion back.
By this I mean whole technology issues - not Cygwin technology, I call
it GNU technology - configuration/setup methods, coding styles (not
just mere conventions for identifier naming / block indentation, but
modularization conventions, from source modules thru libs to
executables, etc.) And all that are obstacles to contributing. But of
course I don't say that's bad - there must be order and who willing to
contribute should know and accept it, but it requires time, and
potential contributors may not have it, just the same as developers
may not ;-) .

    Ok, I turn down considering problems of open-source
development, this is hardly appropriate place for it.

CF> I'm collecting the error messages and hope to investigate problems but
CF> the reality is that this is a volunteer effort for DJ and me.  Our
CF> real jobs don't offer much time for tracking down net problems.

CF> -chris


Best regards,
 Paul                            mailto:paul-ml@is.lg.ua


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  reply	other threads:[~1999-02-22  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-02-16  7:41 Earnie Boyd
     [not found] ` < 19990216154134.3413.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com >
1999-02-16 17:52   ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]     ` < 19990216205243.L16511@cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 18:18       ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02         ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17  2:01     ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-17  9:36       ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]         ` < 17817.990217@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-17 10:07           ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]             ` < 199902171807.NAA16764@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-17 19:16               ` Larry Hall
     [not found]                 ` < 3.0.5.32.19990217221306.0162b070@pop.ma.ultranet.com >
1999-02-17 19:19                   ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]                     ` < 199902180318.WAA20394@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-17 20:13                       ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02                         ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02                     ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                 ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02             ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17 13:37         ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-19  2:30           ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]             ` < 17776.990218@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-19  6:36               ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-22  3:26                 ` Paul Sokolovsky [this message]
     [not found]                   ` < 13561.990222@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-22  8:55                     ` Cygwin participation threshold DJ Delorie
     [not found]                       ` < 199902221654.LAA07362@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-22 10:33                         ` Carl Zmola
     [not found]                           ` < 19990222183222023.AAA254@carl_zmola >
1999-02-22 11:21                             ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-22 12:32                             ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-24  0:08                             ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]                               ` < 19990223214848.A23525@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24  5:51                                 ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                                   ` < 19990225005148.53402@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU >
1999-02-24  9:18                                     ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-24 19:23                                       ` Weiqi Gao
     [not found]                                         ` < 36D4C298.32C1C355@a.crl.com >
1999-02-25  0:23                                           ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-25  6:01                                             ` Weiqi Gao
1999-02-25 13:48                                               ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                                                 ` Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                                               ` Weiqi Gao
1999-02-28 23:02                                             ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                                         ` Weiqi Gao
     [not found]                                       ` < 19990224121846.A25762@cygnus.com >
1999-02-25  0:14                                         ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                                           ` < 19990225191420.16813@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU >
1999-02-25  1:00                                             ` Lam Pui Yuen
     [not found]                                               ` < Pine.BSI.3.95.990225170005.16688A-100000@topaz.hknet.com >
1999-02-25  1:09                                                 ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                                   ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                               ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                           ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                                       ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-24 10:37                                 ` Carl Zmola
     [not found]                                   ` < 19990224183738302.AAA218@carl_zmola >
1999-02-24 10:44                                     ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]                                       ` < 19990224134450.B26262@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24 10:48                                         ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                                           ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                                       ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                                   ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                           ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                       ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                   ` Re[2]: Cygwin B20 - fseek under gcc fails to reposition on text files Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                 ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02             ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02           ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-28 23:02         ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]       ` < 36CA92B5.844635AA@cityweb.de >
1999-02-17  8:07         ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02           ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17 13:46         ` J. J. Farrell
1999-02-28 23:02           ` J. J. Farrell
1999-02-28 23:02       ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-28 23:02     ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Earnie Boyd

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