From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50531 invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2016 09:45:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 50508 invoked by uid 89); 10 Nov 2016 09:45:45 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,EXECUTABLE_URI,KAM_EXEURI,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=abuse, withdraw, UD:gmane.org, snapshots X-HELO: smtp-out-so.shaw.ca Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (HELO smtp-out-so.shaw.ca) (64.59.136.137) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:45:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([174.0.238.184]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id 4lvIcWSPZKjjy4lvJclVfS; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 02:45:34 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=SPoybKnH c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=WqCeCkldcEjBO3QZneQsCg==:117 a=WqCeCkldcEjBO3QZneQsCg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VawJLKhQAAAA:8 a=aW0-vtldAAAA:20 a=TSbVqHtbAAAA:8 a=XU87vbZP3BhfGJIO3gQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_oM5G9kQTiEA:10 a=qN5z6OQWfoYipu91LbAd:22 a=NJcUIoPEKLAEIzHnl83t:22 Subject: Re: Complaining after fair notice of dropping XP support. Was: Not very nice at all. References: <000801d23b23$8912a3c0$9b37eb40$@bonhard.uklinux.net> To: cygwin@cygwin.com Reply-To: Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca From: Brian Inglis Message-ID: <166a2465-cffb-3b15-30be-d696be8ead8e@SystematicSw.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:45:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000801d23b23$8912a3c0$9b37eb40$@bonhard.uklinux.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAyx8TfcAQ+M1Gon4U2LdSm5UvjGNZgqt3tCLjix61PYKi1G8+FAoMewWCN3EVJyk1YVPcLLuHVKmBVv0NUA3kxg9ccEWO5vtJV0e3xeXaBikup4a+/D MOPJEZSrSfN2sUcU92ktu+zrZ/Ug+TOmk8a5oPz7duIqmcloyVqfRB+mxfPw3vIMJhe07+SQqjrDmg== X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-11/txt/msg00089.txt.bz2 On 2016-11-10 00:24, Fergus wrote: >>> 1. Use the following version of setup*.exe: >>> 32-bit: > ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/setup/snapshots/setup-x86-2.874.exe >>> 2. Run setup*.exe with the -X option, using the following >>> mirror: >>> 32-bit: >>> ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2016/08/30/104223 > Q1 Any ideas of what might be de-railing this simple operation? See notice on throttling Cygwin Time Machine because of abuse: http://www.fruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html advises using only setup on as few required packages as possible at a time, until abuse stops. > Q2 [... virtual(?);] Could one instead use wget on > ftp://www.fruitbat.org/pub/cygwin/circa/2016/08/30/104223? Wget honours robots.txt, and LIST has been disabled for Cygwin Time Machine directories, so you can not even see the directories, and no FTP download requests other than GET will work. https://www.google.ca/search?q=lack+of+planning+on+your+part+does+not+constitute+an+emergency&site=imghp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X Please remember that both the Cygwin and Time Machine projects are volunteer efforts with few resources. Each must manage their projects as best they can fit effort into their time, and may withdraw their efforts and facilities at any time. Following the mailing lists/groups and participation earlier could perhaps have delayed the final implementation to allow more time for people to plan and execute final downloads. Complaining after advance notice was given publicly and making could/should have suggestions after the fact is pointless, and could demotivate the volunteers to drop the projects, make access private, or charge for it. Fairly recently, the owner of gmane.org, that many of us had used to browse and post to mailing lists via the web, shut down his web site, although he kept his mail-news gateway up. How many people over the years expressed appreciation for his free service to the community? Or were gracious when letting him know his site had a problem. And thanked him when it was fixed. Not enough probably! If you, a bunch of Cygwin XP dependents banded together, or your company have the space, bandwidth, server(s), money to provide a public mirror of the final Cygwin XP release from the Time Machine, you could contact the owner and make a proposal to offload his site, or upgrade his facilities and help run them. Or your company could ask MS and Redhat for XP and Cygwin XP support quotes if it has the money ;^> There's an opportunity for some of you XP folks to make money off the others by providing dedicated repos of outdated software with support ;^> If you are working for a company that decided to build products for XP dependent on Cygwin, maybe it's time to tell them that Cygwin has reached EOL on the EOL XP. If you are supporting Cygwin based products on XP, maybe it's time to tell your customers you can't any longer, as both are unsupported. You can download source and binary packages that you need that predate 2.6 from the Cygwin mirrors, and include all the build dependencies, starting with cygport. That will enable you to use setup to download from the Time Machine only those packages recently updated on Cygwin mirrors to use 2.6. You could run setup unattended installing packages one at a time, in a loop driven by the packages needed from installed.db, to honour the site owner's request. You will then be in a position to monitor upstream sources, so you can download new upstream patches and releases as they become available, so you have and can apply them when needed, to rebuild the updated packages. You could also try upgrading to W10 and working with single user Ubuntu under WSL ;^> -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple