Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Now that Apache for Cygwin seems to work more reliably I have started 
using it as my web server. However authentication (that was working with 
Apache for Windows) broke. I'm wondering if this is an Apache for Cygwin 
specific problem.

I used to have this implemented at the server level in the httpd.conf 
file like so:

# Secure addbug form
<Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
    AuthName "permission to add a bug"
    AuthType Basic
    AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
    Require valid-user
</Directory>

However that fails to work. The user is let in without being prompted 
for a username/password. I've also tried using a .htaccess file:

AuthType Basic
AuthName "permission to add a bug"
AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users

Require valid-user

With the same non-success. I had cranked up the loglevel in the hopes 
that something about the failure would be written to the logs but 
nothing is. How can I debug/fix this? Does Apache for Cygwin do any 
authentication at all?

Apache 1.3.24; Cygwin 1.5.4

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Stipe Tolj]

> Now that Apache for Cygwin seems to work more reliably I have started
> using it as my web server. However authentication (that was working with
> Apache for Windows) broke. I'm wondering if this is an Apache for Cygwin
> specific problem.
> 
> I used to have this implemented at the server level in the httpd.conf
> file like so:
> 
> # Secure addbug form
> <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
>     AuthName "permission to add a bug"
>     AuthType Basic
>     AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
>     Require valid-user
> </Directory>
> 
> However that fails to work. The user is let in without being prompted
> for a username/password. I've also tried using a .htaccess file:
> 
> AuthType Basic
> AuthName "permission to add a bug"
> AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
> 
> Require valid-user
> 
> With the same non-success. I had cranked up the loglevel in the hopes
> that something about the failure would be written to the logs but
> nothing is. How can I debug/fix this? Does Apache for Cygwin do any
> authentication at all?
> 
> Apache 1.3.24; Cygwin 1.5.4

did you used "AuthGroupFile /dev/null" in this scope too?

I have no clue for this, because Authentication using the standard
mod_auth was working very reliably since decades for me.

BTW, why is the <Director> path starting with *two* slashes? Maybe we
got the raeson for this behaviour at this point.

Stipe

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Stipe Tolj]

> With the same non-success. I had cranked up the loglevel in the hopes
> that something about the failure would be written to the logs but
> nothing is. How can I debug/fix this? Does Apache for Cygwin do any
> authentication at all?

yes it does (or did ;) at least for a considerable time. I don't think
this is a Cygwin or Apache for Cygwin specific problem. I suggest it's
more to a mis-configuration.

Did you try to have standard Basic HTTP Auth on a "fresh" httpd.conf
that comes from the distribution itself?

Stipe

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Brian Dessent]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> # Secure addbug form
> <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">

My WAG is that it has something to do with this UNC path.  I don't know
whether the "//" thing is currently deprecated or not, but I do remember
seeing a recent check-in dealing with either removing or re-enabling it,
or something like that.

Why not try putting all that in a .htaccess file in the addbug
directory?

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Stipe Tolj wrote:

>> Now that Apache for Cygwin seems to work more reliably I have started 
>> using it as my web server. However authentication (that was working 
>> with Apache for Windows) broke. I'm wondering if this is an Apache 
>> for Cygwin specific problem.
>>
>> I used to have this implemented at the server level in the httpd.conf 
>> file like so:
>>
>> # Secure addbug form
>> <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
>> AuthName "permission to add a bug"
>> AuthType Basic
>> AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
>> Require valid-user
>> </Directory>
>>
>> However that fails to work. The user is let in without being prompted 
>> for a username/password. I've also tried using a .htaccess file:
>>
>> AuthType Basic
>> AuthName "permission to add a bug"
>> AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
>>
>> Require valid-user
>>
>> With the same non-success. I had cranked up the loglevel in the hopes 
>> that something about the failure would be written to the logs but 
>> nothing is. How can I debug/fix this? Does Apache for Cygwin do any 
>> authentication at all?
>>
>> Apache 1.3.24; Cygwin 1.5.4
>
> did you used "AuthGroupFile /dev/null" in this scope too?

Just did (in the .htaccess file). Didn't change anything.

> I have no clue for this, because Authentication using the standard 
> mod_auth was working very reliably since decades for me.
>
> BTW, why is the <Director> path starting with *two* slashes? Maybe we 
> got the raeson for this behaviour at this point.

The two slashes indicate a UNC name. In most aspects of Cygwin/Windows 
slashes can stand in for backslashes and are particularly useful. 
Otherwise one needs to have 
\\\\sonscentral\\users\\adefaria\\www\\Internal\\Release\\addbug\\!

As I said, this configuration was working in Apache for Windows (where I 
was using the <Directory> directive and a path like 
\\sonscentral\users\adefaria\www\Internal\Release\addbug\ - no need to 
double the backslashes for just Windows).
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Stipe Tolj wrote:

>> With the same non-success. I had cranked up the loglevel in the hopes 
>> that something about the failure would be written to the logs but 
>> nothing is. How can I debug/fix this? Does Apache for Cygwin do any 
>> authentication at all?
>
> yes it does (or did ;) at least for a considerable time. I don't think 
> this is a Cygwin or Apache for Cygwin specific problem. I suggest it's 
> more to a mis-configuration.

I would tend to agree except this config worked with Apache for Windows.

> Did you try to have standard Basic HTTP Auth on a "fresh" httpd.conf 
> that comes from the distribution itself?

Good idea. Tried it. Didn't work:

$ net stop apache
The Cygwin Apache service is stopping........
The Cygwin Apache service was stopped successfully.

$ cd /etc/apache
$ mv httpd.conf httpd.conf.save
$ cp ../apache.new/httpd.conf httpd.conf
$ cp -rp ~/www/Internal/Release/addbug /var/www/htdocs
$ ll /var/www/htdocs/addbug
total 15
drwxr-xr-x+   2 adefaria Domain U        0 Sep 29 19:17 ./
drwx------+   4 adefaria Domain U        0 Sep 29 19:33 ../
-rw-r--r--    1 adefaria Domain U      132 Sep 29 19:17 .htaccess
-rw-r--r--    1 adefaria Domain U       48 Sep 18 16:06 addbug_users
-rw-r--r--    1 adefaria Domain U        8 Sep 27 15:40 current_release
-rwxr-xr-x    1 adefaria Domain U     5293 Sep  9 17:05 index.cgi*
-rwxr-xr-x    1 adefaria Domain U     5233 May 19 17:10 index.cgi.save*

I had to add ExecCGI and index.cgi to httpd.conf but that's all I 
changed. When I went to "addbug" again it let me in there without any 
authentication. Nothing to report in the log files.

Perhaps we should take this offline...
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[S. L.]

[...]
> # Secure addbug form
> <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
>     AuthName "permission to add a bug"
>     AuthType Basic
>     AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
>     Require valid-user
> </Directory>
> 
> However that fails to work.
[...]

An "AllowOverride AuthConfig" directive, must also be placed.
E.g. 

<Directory "/your/directory/here">
    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride AuthConfig
    order deny,allow
    allow from all
</Directory>
 
and placing all authentication stuff in .htaccess, should do it.

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Stipe Tolj]

> I would tend to agree except this config worked with Apache for Windows.

which does not mean that Apache for Cygwin acts the same way as the
native Win32 counterpart.

I'm not sure if you can use network resource location that way as you
can in Apache for Windows. I would guess not.

Stipe

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

S. L. wrote:

> [...]
>
>> # Secure addbug form
>> <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
>> AuthName "permission to add a bug"
>> AuthType Basic
>> AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
>> Require valid-user
>> </Directory>
>>
>> However that fails to work.
>
> [...]
>
> An "AllowOverride AuthConfig" directive, must also be placed. E.g.
>
> <Directory "/your/directory/here">
> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride AuthConfig
> order deny,allow
> allow from all
> </Directory>
>
> and placing all authentication stuff in .htaccess, should do it.

Actually my <Directory /> had AllowOverried all. I tried:

# Secure addbug form
<Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride AuthConfig
    order deny,allow
    allow from all
    AuthName "permission to add a bug"
    AuthType Basic
    AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
    Require valid-user
</Directory>

And

# Secure addbug form
<Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/Internal/Release/addbug/">
    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride AuthConfig
    order deny,allow
    allow from all
#    AuthName "permission to add a bug"
#    AuthType Basic
#    AuthUserFile /etc/apache/addbug_users
#    Require valid-user
</Directory>

With the .htaccess file. Neither method worked. I was allowed in without 
any authentication.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Stipe Tolj wrote:

>> I would tend to agree except this config worked with Apache for Windows.
>
> which does not mean that Apache for Cygwin acts the same way as the 
> native Win32 counterpart.
>
> I'm not sure if you can use network resource location that way as you 
> can in Apache for Windows. I would guess not.

Well I can use the network resource location in the sense that the 
server does read the web pages/scripts and presents/executes them. It's 
just the authentication that fails. If it can read 
//server/share/path/index.html then why can't is read 
//server/share/path/.htaccess?

Besides I recreated a bare environment and copied my stuff from the 
server to /var/www/htdocs/addbug with the same error.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> Stipe Tolj wrote:
>
> >> I would tend to agree except this config worked with Apache for Windows.
> >
> > which does not mean that Apache for Cygwin acts the same way as the
> > native Win32 counterpart.
> >
> > I'm not sure if you can use network resource location that way as you
> > can in Apache for Windows. I would guess not.
>
> Well I can use the network resource location in the sense that the
> server does read the web pages/scripts and presents/executes them. It's
> just the authentication that fails. If it can read
> //server/share/path/index.html then why can't is read
> //server/share/path/.htaccess?
>
> Besides I recreated a bare environment and copied my stuff from the
> server to /var/www/htdocs/addbug with the same error.

Andrew,

Could this be a text vs. binary issue?  I'm grasping at straws here...
It's good that you've moved everything to the local disk - it helps to
eliminate as many variables as possible.  Did you get an authenticated
access webpage (.html, as opposed to a CGI script) working?  Can you
initially create the user file in the directory where you're trying to set
up authentication (for testing purposes)?  Can you show the output of "ls
-la" in that directory?
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Stipe Tolj]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> 
> Besides I recreated a bare environment and copied my stuff from the
> server to /var/www/htdocs/addbug with the same error.

at least you're the first reporting this kind of behaviour.

Did you try to use the httpd.conf.dist "distribution configuration"?

Stipe

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Could this be a text vs. binary issue? I'm grasping at straws here... 
> It's good that you've moved everything to the local disk - it helps to 
> eliminate as many variables as possible. Did you get an authenticated 
> access webpage (.html, as opposed to a CGI script) working? Can you 
> initially create the user file in the directory where you're trying to 
> set up authentication (for testing purposes)? Can you show the output 
> of "ls -la" in that directory?

It seems to be an issue of using a UNC path. The following works fine:

<VirtualHost adefaria>
  ServerName adefaria
  ServerAdmin ADeFaria@Salira.com
  DocumentRoot "/var/www/htdocs"
#  DocumentRoot "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www"
  <Directory "/var/www/htdocs">
#  <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www">
    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI
  </Directory>
<Directory "/var/www/htdocs/addbug">
#<Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/addbug">
    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI
    AllowOverride AuthConfig
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

</VirtualHost>

If, however, I uncomment the things like DocumentRoot, etc and comment 
out their corresponding line then it fails to work. Note that the 
directory "addbug" was simply copied over so the contents are the same. 
Text vs. binary does not seem to be the issue.

It's funny because the server itself can get html files from a UNC path 
but seems to trip up when attempting to get the .htaccess file (I guess).

Note that originally I was not using .htaccess files at all, instead I 
would code the Auth stuff directly into the <Directory> directive. But 
that wasn't working. So I switched to trying the .htaccess method. It 
seems that using .htaccess does not work if the path is a UNC path. 
Tomorrow I'll try to find out why using Auth... in the <Directory> 
directive didn't work either.

To me this seems like a bug in Apache for Cygwin. Either it should 
support UNC paths fully or not at all.

Again, as I said before, when using Apache for Windows (and using UNCs 
with \\ as Windows likes) it worked fine (with the Auth stuff in 
<Directory>).

Oh and the observent will not that yes I am using Virtual hosts. Perhaps 
that's another factor.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Could this be a text vs. binary issue? I'm grasping at straws here...
> > It's good that you've moved everything to the local disk - it helps to
> > eliminate as many variables as possible. Did you get an authenticated
> > access webpage (.html, as opposed to a CGI script) working? Can you
> > initially create the user file in the directory where you're trying to
> > set up authentication (for testing purposes)? Can you show the output
> > of "ls -la" in that directory?
>
> It seems to be an issue of using a UNC path. The following works fine:
>
> <VirtualHost adefaria>
>   ServerName adefaria
>   ServerAdmin ADeFaria@Salira.com
>   DocumentRoot "/var/www/htdocs"
> #  DocumentRoot "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www"
>   <Directory "/var/www/htdocs">
> #  <Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www">
>     Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI
>   </Directory>
> <Directory "/var/www/htdocs/addbug">
> #<Directory "//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www/addbug">
>     Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI
>     AllowOverride AuthConfig
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> </Directory>
>
> </VirtualHost>
>
> If, however, I uncomment the things like DocumentRoot, etc and comment
> out their corresponding line then it fails to work. Note that the
> directory "addbug" was simply copied over so the contents are the same.
> Text vs. binary does not seem to be the issue.
>
> It's funny because the server itself can get html files from a UNC path
> but seems to trip up when attempting to get the .htaccess file (I guess).
>
> Note that originally I was not using .htaccess files at all, instead I
> would code the Auth stuff directly into the <Directory> directive. But
> that wasn't working. So I switched to trying the .htaccess method. It
> seems that using .htaccess does not work if the path is a UNC path.
> Tomorrow I'll try to find out why using Auth... in the <Directory>
> directive didn't work either.
>
> To me this seems like a bug in Apache for Cygwin. Either it should
> support UNC paths fully or not at all.
>
> Again, as I said before, when using Apache for Windows (and using UNCs
> with \\ as Windows likes) it worked fine (with the Auth stuff in
> <Directory>).
>
> Oh and the observent will not that yes I am using Virtual hosts. Perhaps
> that's another factor.

Andrew,

Perhaps you could try playing with the permissions on the .htaccess file
to see if you can reproduce the problem in your local directory.  If you
manage to do that, you could see if this is a "smbntsec" issue.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Perhaps you could try playing with the permissions on the .htaccess 
> file to see if you can reproduce the problem in your local directory. 
> If you manage to do that, you could see if this is a "smbntsec" issue.

Hmmm... As I said it appears to work in the local case. Or are you 
saying I should try to break that by playing with permissions? Are there 
any examples of "smbntsec" issues?

I mean I suspect that if I do something as small as remove read 
permission for other on .htaccess then the server will not be able to 
read the file thus it would break. But what would that tell me? What 
exactly am I looking for?

I may play with this as you suggest tomorrow at work. At home I don't 
use SMB for my web site - at least not yet.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Brian Dessent]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> Hmmm... As I said it appears to work in the local case. Or are you
> saying I should try to break that by playing with permissions? Are there
> any examples of "smbntsec" issues?
> 
> I mean I suspect that if I do something as small as remove read
> permission for other on .htaccess then the server will not be able to
> read the file thus it would break. But what would that tell me? What
> exactly am I looking for?
> 
> I may play with this as you suggest tomorrow at work. At home I don't
> use SMB for my web site - at least not yet.

As a temporary solution, what happens if you mount the SMB share as a
drive and then use "/cygdrive/x/path" instead of the UNC style
"//machine/share/path"?  If that made it work then it might indicate
that it's the path handling code somewhere (i.e. Apache not liking // as
a valid posix path) versus a permissions problem.

Brian

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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[Andrew DeFaria]

Brian Dessent wrote:

> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... As I said it appears to work in the local case. Or are you 
>> saying I should try to break that by playing with permissions? Are 
>> there any examples of "smbntsec" issues?
>>
>> I mean I suspect that if I do something as small as remove read 
>> permission for other on .htaccess then the server will not be able to 
>> read the file thus it would break. But what would that tell me? What 
>> exactly am I looking for?
>>
>> I may play with this as you suggest tomorrow at work. At home I don't 
>> use SMB for my web site - at least not yet.
>
> As a temporary solution, what happens if you mount the SMB share as a 
> drive and then use "/cygdrive/x/path" instead of the UNC style 
> "//machine/share/path"? If that made it work then it might indicate 
> that it's the path handling code somewhere (i.e. Apache not liking // 
> as a valid posix path) versus a permissions problem.

Ah this works! And I get much shorter and consistent (in my mind) 
pathnames in my httpd.conf file! What I did is mount -bsf 
//sonscentral/users/adefaria/www /www. Now my DocumentRoot is simple 
/www, etc!

So, to summarize, it appears that Apache under Cygwin is able to deal 
with web pages when paths are UNC paths of the form 
//<server>/<share>/<path>/<file> however the authentication module does 
not like such paths and seems to fail silently. Personally I believe 
that if the server can accept an UNC path then the authentication module 
should to likewise.

Workarounds include moving your web site to your local drive (not a nice 
option for me because then it won't be backed up, which is why I stored 
it remotely), mount the remote location locally or make a symlink 
pointing to the remote location (I believe that worked too).

Thanks for the help all.
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Re: Using authentication under Apache for Cygwin

[S. L.]

[...]
> So, to summarize, it appears that Apache under Cygwin is able to deal 
> with web pages when paths are UNC paths of the form 
> //<server>/<share>/<path>/<file> however the authentication module does 
> not like such paths and seems to fail silently. Personally I believe 
> that if the server can accept an UNC path then the authentication module 
> should to likewise.
[...]

I would also add the other issue Igor pointed out: maybe with a proper tuned
smbntsec/ntsec option it could also work. I.e. what's the case with w9x (no
ntsec involved)?

SLao

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