RE: Help on programming

RE: Help on programming

[Houston, Jerry]

	You poor thing!

	How many other lucrative technical careers or fascinating
hobbies do you imagine are available to you without so much as buying a
book?  
	As a matter of fact, there is a LOT of free knowledge available
from microsoft.com, if you take the time to look.

	I would imagine that the reason the folks on the programming
newsgroup talk about MFC a lot is because they're mostly professionals.
They're getting paid big bucks to create robust Win32 apps using the
most appropriate tools available, which in many cases means they need to
use MFC.  

	Why write your own 30,000 lines of OLE and ActiveX code,
f'instance, when well-tested stuff comes with the compiler?  And
incidentally, many compilers are sold with MFC classes.  Microsoft
licenses it to other vendors, and it's become quite an industry
standard.

	For casual personal experimentation with Win32, Microsoft's
"fancy schmancy" MFC classes aren't important to know about.  In fact,
the more you know about the underlying Win32 API, the better.  

	However, when I interview a programmer candidate, I'm most
impressed by those who are already familiar with the architecture
they'll need to work with here.  It means I'll need to teach them much
less about their chosen craft to begin with, and they can get to work
and become productive much sooner.

	XWindows?  Right!  Now THERE's something in the process of
taking the world by storm.  <g>
	  
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jesse L. Marlin [SMTP:jlm@compgen.com]
> Subject:	Re: Help on programming
> 
> On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Darren Rauckman wrote:
> 
> This seems to be a trend in Windows programming, in order to learn how
> to
> do it, you have to buy a book.  I haven't heard of an online tutorial,
> or
> FAQ, but there is a newsgroup called
> comp.os.windows.programming.win32, I
> think (its pretty close), but all they talk about are the MFC
> (microsoft
> foudation classes), which are fancy smancy classes that microsoft has
> rolled for use with their compiler.  
	<snip> 
> I would suggest you search for wxWindows.  
> 
> Which is a free OS independent set of classes to aid in gui
> development.
> This implementation offers almost as much as MFC does.
	<snip> 

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Re: Help on programming

[Jesse L. Marlin]

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Darren Rauckman wrote:

This seems to be a trend in Windows programming, in order to learn how to
do it, you have to buy a book.  I haven't heard of an online tutorial, or
FAQ, but there is a newsgroup called comp.os.windows.programming.win32, I
think (its pretty close), but all they talk about are the MFC (microsoft
foudation classes), which are fancy smancy classes that microsoft has
rolled for use with their compiler.  Compilers like microsoft include some
tools to do interface design with, called resource kits or something to
that effect, that allow you to design a gui with little effort.  I think
you can do as much or more with straight win32 calls, but it is confusing 
and difficult.  

I would suggest you search for wxWindows.  

Which is a free OS independent set of classes to aid in gui development.
This implementation offers almost as much as MFC does.

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/julian.smart/wxwin/

Though I have not used it, because I don't really like C++ all that much,
it will be easier to start with, and better than trying to learn the ins
and outs of win32. I think there are some #defines for the cygwin32
compiler, and be warned it is still in beta, but I have seen the code and
it looks pretty good.  Almost as ambitious as cygwin32.   

Does microsoft block anybody from posting information about the win32
interface, I was just wondering why information was so scarce about it on 
the net.

> This may not be the right place to ask this, but you know alot or quite
> a bit about windows programming.  I would like to program in windows, I
> have knowledge of programming dos applications.  I tried looking  for a
> good online tuturial for programming in windows.  Not programming in
> VC++ or using MFC or OWL but plain old programming in windows.  If any
> of you know of a very good, good, or any programmin place that carrys a
> tuturial please let me know and send the site address.
> 
> Thanks
> Darren
> 
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RE: Help on programming

[mark]

--- On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:55:43 -0600  Darren 
Rauckman <raucd@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>This may not be the right place to ask this, but you 
know alot or quite
>a bit about windows programming.  I would like to 
program in windows, I
>have knowledge of programming dos applications.  I 
tried looking  for a
>good online tuturial for programming in windows.  Not 
programming in
>VC++ or using MFC or OWL but plain old programming in 
windows.  If any
>of you know of a very good, good, or any programmin 
place that carrys a
>tuturial please let me know and send the site 
address.
>
>Thanks
>Darren
>
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Help on programming

[Darren Rauckman]

This may not be the right place to ask this, but you know alot or quite
a bit about windows programming.  I would like to program in windows, I
have knowledge of programming dos applications.  I tried looking  for a
good online tuturial for programming in windows.  Not programming in
VC++ or using MFC or OWL but plain old programming in windows.  If any
of you know of a very good, good, or any programmin place that carrys a
tuturial please let me know and send the site address.

Thanks
Darren

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