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From: DJ Delorie <dj@envy.delorie.com>
To: paul-ml@is.lg.ua
Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Cygwin participation threshold
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:55:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199902221654.LAA07362@envy.delorie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: < 13561.990222@is.lg.ua > (message from Paul Sokolovsky on Mon, 22Feb 1999 13:28:16 +0200)

> Hopefully, that's what you wanted - to give people a nice tool,

I think it would be more accurate to replace "give" with "share with".

As a bit of history, Cygnus had a purely business reason to create
cygwin.  Doing so let us host our tools on 95/NT platforms, which
meant more customers (i.e. more money).  AFAIK, releasing cygwin to
the net had two reasons: the first philosophical, in that we like to
share; and the second practical, in that the more people using cygwin
the more paid support contracts we'll get.

>     But when someone wants to fix or add something to cygwin, here
> comes another problem - it's high enough threshold to be able to do
> so. Even higher threshold to make it acceptable for inclusion back.

DJGPP has a much higher threshold (it's much more complicated), but
there are far more people contributing to djgpp than to cygwin.  If
anyone can figure out *why*, let us know! ;-) I think it's social -
djgpp contributors just know that they'll get a friendly reception to
their contributions, good or bad, so they aren't as hesitant to send
stuff in.

> By this I mean whole technology issues - not Cygwin technology, I
> call it GNU technology - configuration/setup methods, coding styles
> (not just mere conventions for identifier naming / block
> indentation, but modularization conventions, from source modules
> thru libs to executables, etc.) And all that are obstacles to
> contributing.

Even so, I'd rather people contribute what they can instead of just
sulking off in a corner and getting nowhere.  We're not going to laugh
at you for bad style (I hope).  More likely, we'll explain how to
change what you've got to work better with what we've got (it's called
"learning").  Cooperation is a two-way street!  If you're willing to
do *anything*, we'll probably meet you half-way.

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From: DJ Delorie <dj@envy.delorie.com>
To: paul-ml@is.lg.ua
Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Cygwin participation threshold
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:02:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199902221654.LAA07362@envy.delorie.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990228230200.s8BI3RXXQ1mwUAOru_poX03829c2edVW6ldbvixb-sw@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13561.990222@is.lg.ua>

> Hopefully, that's what you wanted - to give people a nice tool,

I think it would be more accurate to replace "give" with "share with".

As a bit of history, Cygnus had a purely business reason to create
cygwin.  Doing so let us host our tools on 95/NT platforms, which
meant more customers (i.e. more money).  AFAIK, releasing cygwin to
the net had two reasons: the first philosophical, in that we like to
share; and the second practical, in that the more people using cygwin
the more paid support contracts we'll get.

>     But when someone wants to fix or add something to cygwin, here
> comes another problem - it's high enough threshold to be able to do
> so. Even higher threshold to make it acceptable for inclusion back.

DJGPP has a much higher threshold (it's much more complicated), but
there are far more people contributing to djgpp than to cygwin.  If
anyone can figure out *why*, let us know! ;-) I think it's social -
djgpp contributors just know that they'll get a friendly reception to
their contributions, good or bad, so they aren't as hesitant to send
stuff in.

> By this I mean whole technology issues - not Cygwin technology, I
> call it GNU technology - configuration/setup methods, coding styles
> (not just mere conventions for identifier naming / block
> indentation, but modularization conventions, from source modules
> thru libs to executables, etc.) And all that are obstacles to
> contributing.

Even so, I'd rather people contribute what they can instead of just
sulking off in a corner and getting nowhere.  We're not going to laugh
at you for bad style (I hope).  More likely, we'll explain how to
change what you've got to work better with what we've got (it's called
"learning").  Cooperation is a two-way street!  If you're willing to
do *anything*, we'll probably meet you half-way.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-02-22  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-02-16  7:41 Cygwin B20 - fseek under gcc fails to reposition on text files Earnie Boyd
     [not found] ` < 19990216154134.3413.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com >
1999-02-16 17:52   ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]     ` < 19990216205243.L16511@cygnus.com >
1999-02-16 18:18       ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02         ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17  2:01     ` Corinna Vinschen
     [not found]       ` < 36CA92B5.844635AA@cityweb.de >
1999-02-17  8:07         ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02           ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17 13:46         ` J. J. Farrell
1999-02-28 23:02           ` J. J. Farrell
1999-02-17  9:36       ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]         ` < 17817.990217@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-17 10:07           ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]             ` < 199902171807.NAA16764@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-17 19:16               ` Larry Hall
     [not found]                 ` < 3.0.5.32.19990217221306.0162b070@pop.ma.ultranet.com >
1999-02-17 19:19                   ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]                     ` < 199902180318.WAA20394@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-17 20:13                       ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02                         ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02                     ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                 ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02             ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-17 13:37         ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-19  2:30           ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]             ` < 17776.990218@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-19  6:36               ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-22  3:26                 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]                   ` < 13561.990222@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-22  8:55                     ` DJ Delorie [this message]
     [not found]                       ` < 199902221654.LAA07362@envy.delorie.com >
1999-02-22 10:33                         ` Cygwin participation threshold Carl Zmola
     [not found]                           ` < 19990222183222023.AAA254@carl_zmola >
1999-02-22 11:21                             ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-22 12:32                             ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-24  0:08                             ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]                               ` < 19990223214848.A23525@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24  5:51                                 ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                                   ` < 19990225005148.53402@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU >
1999-02-24  9:18                                     ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-24 19:23                                       ` Weiqi Gao
     [not found]                                         ` < 36D4C298.32C1C355@a.crl.com >
1999-02-25  0:23                                           ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-25  6:01                                             ` Weiqi Gao
1999-02-25 13:48                                               ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                                                 ` Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                                               ` Weiqi Gao
1999-02-28 23:02                                             ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                                         ` Weiqi Gao
     [not found]                                       ` < 19990224121846.A25762@cygnus.com >
1999-02-25  0:14                                         ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                                           ` < 19990225191420.16813@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU >
1999-02-25  1:00                                             ` Lam Pui Yuen
     [not found]                                               ` < Pine.BSI.3.95.990225170005.16688A-100000@topaz.hknet.com >
1999-02-25  1:09                                                 ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                                   ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                               ` Lam Pui Yuen
1999-02-28 23:02                                           ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-28 23:02                                       ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1999-02-24 10:37                                 ` Carl Zmola
     [not found]                                   ` < 19990224183738302.AAA218@carl_zmola >
1999-02-24 10:44                                     ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]                                       ` < 19990224134450.B26262@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24 10:48                                         ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                                           ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                                       ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                                   ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                               ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02                           ` Carl Zmola
1999-02-28 23:02                       ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02                   ` Re[2]: Cygwin B20 - fseek under gcc fails to reposition on text files Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02                 ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02             ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02           ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-28 23:02         ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
1999-02-28 23:02       ` Corinna Vinschen
1999-02-28 23:02     ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Earnie Boyd
1999-02-22  9:10 Cygwin participation threshold Suhaib M. Siddiqi
     [not found] ` < 008401be5e87$f1dcd510$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
1999-02-22 11:38   ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02     ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-02-22 13:00 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-02-22 20:54 Tom St Denis
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Tom St Denis
1999-02-24 10:55 Steve Morris
     [not found] ` < 199902241855.NAA16459@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-02-24 12:40   ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-24 13:13     ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]       ` < 2965.990224@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-24 13:21         ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]           ` < 19990224162212.A27405@cygnus.com >
1999-02-25 22:51             ` Geoffrey Noer
     [not found]               ` < 19990225225149.A1388@cygnus.com >
1999-02-26  7:26                 ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02                   ` Larry Hall
1999-02-28 23:02               ` Geoffrey Noer
1999-02-28 23:02           ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]     ` < 19990224154034.E26668@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24 13:50       ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02         ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-26  8:27       ` Steve Morris
     [not found]         ` < 199902261627.LAA18993@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-02-27  7:49           ` Todd Goodman
1999-02-28 23:02             ` Todd Goodman
1999-02-28 23:02         ` Steve Morris
1999-02-26  8:55       ` Steve Morris
1999-02-28 23:02         ` Steve Morris
1999-02-28 23:02     ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-24 12:46 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
     [not found]   ` < 15947.990224@is.lg.ua >
1999-02-24 13:28     ` Christopher Faylor
     [not found]       ` < 19990224162911.A27461@cygnus.com >
1999-02-24 14:16         ` Mumit Khan
1999-02-28 23:02           ` Mumit Khan
1999-02-28 23:02       ` Christopher Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Steve Morris
1999-02-24 13:43 Ken Thompson
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Ken Thompson
1999-02-25 10:09 Bernard Dautrevaux
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Bernard Dautrevaux
1999-02-25 10:24 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
     [not found] ` < 004c01be60ee$09a84c20$29acdfd0@InspirePharm.Com >
1999-02-25 10:36   ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02     ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-02-26  0:26 Bernard Dautrevaux
     [not found] ` < 8135911A809AD211AF6300A02480D175034922@iis000.microdata.fr >
1999-02-26  8:40   ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02     ` DJ Delorie
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Bernard Dautrevaux
1999-02-28 16:22 Christopher G. Faylor
1999-02-28 23:02 ` Christopher G. Faylor

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