* Re: Just installed cygwin
@ 1999-04-22 10:00 Earnie Boyd
1999-04-22 10:14 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Earnie Boyd
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Earnie Boyd @ 1999-04-22 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes, 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
I know others responded as to where to get the man program. Don't forget to
download the full-man.tar.bz2 and user-man.tar.bz2 files from
ftp://sourceware/cygnus.com/pub/cygwin/latest/ .
You may need an info reader also. I'll suggest tkInfo which is a tcl/tk
script.
--- David Ondzes <dondzes@PacketTech.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
> and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
> pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
> & bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
> since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
>
> BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
> --
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:00 Just installed cygwin Earnie Boyd
@ 1999-04-22 10:14 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-22 10:22 ` R. Hickling
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Earnie Boyd
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Mumit Khan @ 1999-04-22 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Earnie Boyd; +Cc: David Ondzes, 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> You may need an info reader also. I'll suggest tkInfo which is a tcl/tk
> script.
fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
Regards,
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:14 ` Mumit Khan
@ 1999-04-22 10:22 ` R. Hickling
1999-04-22 10:49 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-30 18:32 ` R. Hickling
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Mumit Khan
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: R. Hickling @ 1999-04-22 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mumit Khan, cygwin
> fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
What is it called?
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:22 ` R. Hickling
@ 1999-04-22 10:49 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-30 18:32 ` R. Hickling
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Mumit Khan @ 1999-04-22 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: R. Hickling; +Cc: cygwin
"R. Hickling" <hicklinr@mcd.alcatel.be> writes:
> > fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
>
> What is it called?
>
Ah, it would be called info.exe, but evidently I forgot to include it when
I built the distribution. Damn.
I just uploaded it to:
ftp://ftp.xraylith.wisc.edu/pub/khan/gnu-win32/cygwin/ports/
Regards,
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:22 ` R. Hickling
1999-04-22 10:49 ` Mumit Khan
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` R. Hickling
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: R. Hickling @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mumit Khan, cygwin
> fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
What is it called?
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:49 ` Mumit Khan
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` Mumit Khan
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Mumit Khan @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: R. Hickling; +Cc: cygwin
"R. Hickling" <hicklinr@mcd.alcatel.be> writes:
> > fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
>
> What is it called?
>
Ah, it would be called info.exe, but evidently I forgot to include it when
I built the distribution. Damn.
I just uploaded it to:
ftp://ftp.xraylith.wisc.edu/pub/khan/gnu-win32/cygwin/ports/
Regards,
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:14 ` Mumit Khan
1999-04-22 10:22 ` R. Hickling
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` Mumit Khan
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Mumit Khan @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Earnie Boyd; +Cc: David Ondzes, 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> You may need an info reader also. I'll suggest tkInfo which is a tcl/tk
> script.
fyi, I include text info reader with egcs-1.1.2 cygwin distribution.
Regards,
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 10:00 Just installed cygwin Earnie Boyd
1999-04-22 10:14 ` Mumit Khan
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` Earnie Boyd
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Earnie Boyd @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes, 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
I know others responded as to where to get the man program. Don't forget to
download the full-man.tar.bz2 and user-man.tar.bz2 files from
ftp://sourceware/cygnus.com/pub/cygwin/latest/ .
You may need an info reader also. I'll suggest tkInfo which is a tcl/tk
script.
--- David Ondzes <dondzes@PacketTech.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
> and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
> pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
> & bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
> since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
>
> BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
> --
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* Re: Just installed Cygwin
2002-06-18 14:26 Just installed Cygwin John Seeliger
@ 2002-06-18 21:56 ` Gerrit P. Haase
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Gerrit P. Haase @ 2002-06-18 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Seeliger; +Cc: cygwin
Hallo John,
Am Dienstag, 18. Juni 2002 um 21:09 schriebst du:
> I just installed cygwin to be able to use perl, sed, grep and a few Unix
> utilities on my Win XP Home Edition computer and I chose Unix file names
> during the installation and I now see from
> <http://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#SEC59> that I shouldn't have done that since
> perl looks for aux.sh and Windows will hang up when looking for a filename
> with com1, lpt1 or aux as root or extension. And sure enough when I try
> perl in the shell, it does hang. So, do I need to delete everything and
> reinstall from scratch? Any other tips so I can avoid any other newbie-type
> mistakes and wasting even more time.
No, there is no problem with perl.
What hangs with perl if you try it?
BTW:
$ touch aux
touch: setting times of `aux': Invalid argument
$ ls
$ touch aux.test
touch: setting times of `aux.test': Invalid argument
$ ls
$ touch test.aux
$ ls
test.aux
-> Extensions are allowed.
This section in the FAQ is outdated at least for my NT box perl
works fine and extensions with special names are allowed).
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* Just installed Cygwin
@ 2002-06-18 14:26 John Seeliger
2002-06-18 21:56 ` Gerrit P. Haase
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: John Seeliger @ 2002-06-18 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
I just installed cygwin to be able to use perl, sed, grep and a few Unix
utilities on my Win XP Home Edition computer and I chose Unix file names
during the installation and I now see from
<http://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#SEC59> that I shouldn't have done that since
perl looks for aux.sh and Windows will hang up when looking for a filename
with com1, lpt1 or aux as root or extension. And sure enough when I try
perl in the shell, it does hang. So, do I need to delete everything and
reinstall from scratch? Any other tips so I can avoid any other newbie-type
mistakes and wasting even more time.
Thanks,
-John
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 8:40 ` Bill Black
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` Bill Black
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Bill Black @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes; +Cc: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
David Ondzes wrote:
> Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
> and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
> pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
> & bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
> since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
Levine, J.R., Mason, T. and Brown, D. "lex & yacc", O'Reilly & Associates, 1992,
ISBN 1-56592-000-7 is a tutorial and reference, and has appendices explaining
how flex and bison differ from lex and yacc.
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 9:07 Just installed cygwin Jan-Friedrich Mutter
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` Jan-Friedrich Mutter
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From: Jan-Friedrich Mutter @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes; +Cc: cygwin
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man packages:
ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/mirrors/cygnus/cygwin
-b20/fullman.tar.bz2
pasted from a mail from Michael Hirmke some days ago:
------------------------< snip snip snip >-----------------------------
*man-1.5f*
--------
- what is it?
- Program for displaying man-pages on the screen or sending them
to a printer (using groff). Includes whatis, apropos and man2html,
which compiles but wasn't tried.
- To install the binaries
- go to ftp://ftp.franken.de , get and untar in /
/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Humblet_Pierre_A/B20
man-1.5f-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- You must also get and untar in /
/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Hirmke_Michael/B20
groff-1.10-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- Edit /usr/local/lib/man.conf [** used to be man.config **]
to suit your site.
If man gives you funny looking hyphens, replace the NROFF line with
NROFF /usr/local/bin/nroff -mandoc (!!it's nroff, not groff)
- Execute "man -w" to examine the effective MANPATH. Duplicates
(with different cases) may appear. They can be avoided by
editing man.conf and/or PATH and/or MANPATH.
- Execute ./makewhatis -w in /usr/local/sbin to build the
whatis database for apropos and whatis.
What follows is information to recompile the entire package or complete
the man2html tool suite.
- system
- Windows 95
- Cygwin
- for B20
- binary mounts only
- CYGWIN=tty
- preliminaries
- get the source packages
- man-1.5f.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/util/man/
- edit src/makewhatis.sh
- on line 30 change PATH=/usr/bin:/bin to /bin:/usr/local/bin
146, change /usr/bin/gawk to /bin/gawk (or whatever)
- edit src/defs.h
- add #include <unistd.h>
- edit man2html/Makefile.in
- on line 9 change /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin (or whatever)
- configure
- edit configure on lines 508 & 511
- change "prefix=/usr" to "prefix=/usr/local" (or whatever)
- run CC="gcc -DNONLS -DLC_MESSAGES=6" ./configure -d +traditional
(thanks to David Coe)
- make
- works without changes
- make install
- works without changes
- package availability
- on ftp.franken.de
- in /pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Humblet_Pierre_A/B20
- as man-1.5f-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- contributed by
- Pierre.Humblet@eurecom.fr (Pierre A. Humblet)
------------------------< snip snip snip >-----------------------------
-Jan.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: David Ondzes <dondzes@PacketTech.com>
An: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com' <cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com>
Datum: Donnerstag, 22. April 1999 17:50
Betreff: Just installed cygwin
>
>Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
>and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
>pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like
flex
>& bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a
while
>since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
>
>BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
>
>Thanks
>David
>
>
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* Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 8:32 David Ondzes
1999-04-22 8:40 ` Bill Black
@ 1999-04-30 18:32 ` David Ondzes
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: David Ondzes @ 1999-04-30 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
& bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
Thanks
David
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
@ 1999-04-22 9:07 Jan-Friedrich Mutter
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Jan-Friedrich Mutter
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Jan-Friedrich Mutter @ 1999-04-22 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes; +Cc: cygwin
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man packages:
ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/mirrors/cygnus/cygwin
-b20/fullman.tar.bz2
pasted from a mail from Michael Hirmke some days ago:
------------------------< snip snip snip >-----------------------------
*man-1.5f*
--------
- what is it?
- Program for displaying man-pages on the screen or sending them
to a printer (using groff). Includes whatis, apropos and man2html,
which compiles but wasn't tried.
- To install the binaries
- go to ftp://ftp.franken.de , get and untar in /
/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Humblet_Pierre_A/B20
man-1.5f-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- You must also get and untar in /
/pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Hirmke_Michael/B20
groff-1.10-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- Edit /usr/local/lib/man.conf [** used to be man.config **]
to suit your site.
If man gives you funny looking hyphens, replace the NROFF line with
NROFF /usr/local/bin/nroff -mandoc (!!it's nroff, not groff)
- Execute "man -w" to examine the effective MANPATH. Duplicates
(with different cases) may appear. They can be avoided by
editing man.conf and/or PATH and/or MANPATH.
- Execute ./makewhatis -w in /usr/local/sbin to build the
whatis database for apropos and whatis.
What follows is information to recompile the entire package or complete
the man2html tool suite.
- system
- Windows 95
- Cygwin
- for B20
- binary mounts only
- CYGWIN=tty
- preliminaries
- get the source packages
- man-1.5f.tar.gz from ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/util/man/
- edit src/makewhatis.sh
- on line 30 change PATH=/usr/bin:/bin to /bin:/usr/local/bin
146, change /usr/bin/gawk to /bin/gawk (or whatever)
- edit src/defs.h
- add #include <unistd.h>
- edit man2html/Makefile.in
- on line 9 change /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin (or whatever)
- configure
- edit configure on lines 508 & 511
- change "prefix=/usr" to "prefix=/usr/local" (or whatever)
- run CC="gcc -DNONLS -DLC_MESSAGES=6" ./configure -d +traditional
(thanks to David Coe)
- make
- works without changes
- make install
- works without changes
- package availability
- on ftp.franken.de
- in /pub/win32/develop/gnuwin32/cygwin/porters/Humblet_Pierre_A/B20
- as man-1.5f-cygwin-b20-bin.tar.gz
- contributed by
- Pierre.Humblet@eurecom.fr (Pierre A. Humblet)
------------------------< snip snip snip >-----------------------------
-Jan.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: David Ondzes <dondzes@PacketTech.com>
An: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com' <cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com>
Datum: Donnerstag, 22. April 1999 17:50
Betreff: Just installed cygwin
>
>Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
>and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
>pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like
flex
>& bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a
while
>since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
>
>BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
>
>Thanks
>David
>
>
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* Re: Just installed cygwin
1999-04-22 8:32 David Ondzes
@ 1999-04-22 8:40 ` Bill Black
1999-04-30 18:32 ` Bill Black
1999-04-30 18:32 ` David Ondzes
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Bill Black @ 1999-04-22 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Ondzes; +Cc: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
David Ondzes wrote:
> Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
> and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
> pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
> & bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
> since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
Levine, J.R., Mason, T. and Brown, D. "lex & yacc", O'Reilly & Associates, 1992,
ISBN 1-56592-000-7 is a tutorial and reference, and has appendices explaining
how flex and bison differ from lex and yacc.
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* Just installed cygwin
@ 1999-04-22 8:32 David Ondzes
1999-04-22 8:40 ` Bill Black
1999-04-30 18:32 ` David Ondzes
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: David Ondzes @ 1999-04-22 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com'
Ok, I have just installed cygwin on NT 4.0 system and I have read the FAQ
and other online docs but can't find the answer to my question. I know man
pages do not come with cygwin so how do I read how to use programs like flex
& bison ? I know that are tools for parsing grammers but it has been a while
since I used them and forgotten some of the basics.
BTW - I do not have access to a unix machine to look at the man pages.
Thanks
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