Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Joshua]

    I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,
BTW.  Thanks and BCNU//jle

From: Corinna Vinschen <cygwin at cygwin dot com>
To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:29:20 +0100
Subject: Re: Unix/DOS text mode?
References: <000b01c171d5$8a3b4f40$2ae61718@bdfrd1.tx.home.com>

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:10:48AM -0600, Joshua wrote:
>     Corinna,
>
>     Thanks for the enlightenment.  Regarding your statement, 'These files
> must be in binary mode on Cygwin regardless of the bin/textmode of the
> underlying mount point.', what files are you referring to?  I would
> understand if the Cygwin files, ie config files in /etc need to be binary,
> but are you saying that Cygwin needs to deal with all files (like
> /cygwin/c/autoexec.bat) in a binary mode?  Or could the vim packaged with
> Cygwin be set to autodetect the binary/text type?  My understanding of how
> vim/gvim worked was that it would detect the binary/text type and preserve
> the type when you edit save the file.  BCNU//jle

It does recognize bin/text, just not for script files as .vimrc.
These must be binmode (LF, not CRLF lineending).

Corinna

> From: Corinna Vinschen <cygwin at cygwin dot com>
> To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:28:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: Unix/DOS text mode?
> References: <000f01c17193$e7b4c6c0$2ae61718@bdfrd1.tx.home.com>
>
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> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:20:59AM -0600, Joshua wrote:
> >     Hmm, I've noticed this difference between the PC version of vim/gvim
> > versus the vim that comes with cygwin.  Using the PC version, vim/gvim
> seems
> > to be able to tell whether you're opening a unix file or a PC file and
> > display/edit appropriately.
> >
> >     I tried copying my _vimrc from my PC installation to .vimrc in my
home
> > directory, but that doesn't do the trick.  I figured it was either a
> switch
> > in vimrc or something to do with the mounts themselves.  BCNU//jle
>
> The Cygwin vim has the same ability to recognize Unix/DOS files
> as the Windows native version.  After a discussion with Bram Moolenaar
> he decided not to add that recognition to the vim script files
> as .vimrc.  These files must be in binary mode on Cygwin regardless
> of the bin/textmode of the underlying mount point.
>
> Corinna
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Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:54:47PM -0600, Joshua wrote:
>     I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
> option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
> binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,
> BTW.  Thanks and BCNU//jle

Nothing.  It should work automagically.  Which it does on my system.
I've just tested it explicitely since your postings made me nervous.

However, the unix/dos file recognition works based on examining only
the first line, AFAIK, so if the first line has only a LF instead of
an CRLF for some reason, vim treats the file as unixy.  Then you see
the ^M beginning with line 2.

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Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Bjoern Kahl AG Resy]

 Hallo !

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:54:47PM -0600, Joshua wrote:
> >     I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
> > option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
> > binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,

> Nothing.  It should work automagically.  Which it does on my system.
> I've just tested it explicitely since your postings made me nervous.

 Hmm. At least for the version I installed last friday (using
 "install now" (aka setup) on the cygwin site) did *not* work.
 I have had to copy "/usr/share/vimv/im60/vimrc_example" as
 ".vimrc" to my $HOME and add the line "set fileformats=unix,dos"
 under the line "set nocompatible".

> However, the unix/dos file recognition works based on examining only
> the first line, AFAIK, so if the first line has only a LF instead of
> an CRLF for some reason, vim treats the file as unixy.  Then you see
> the ^M beginning with line 2.

 My english is somewhat limited, but as I understand the "options.txt"
 in vim doc-folder, vim reads the whole file dicides on how many <CR>,
 <CR><NL> and >NL> it found. (However, that chapter in the docs is not
 really clear to me).


 Bjoern

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Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:43:29AM +0100, Bjoern Kahl AG Resy wrote:
> 
>  Hallo !
> 
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:54:47PM -0600, Joshua wrote:
> > >     I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
> > > option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
> > > binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,
> 
> > Nothing.  It should work automagically.  Which it does on my system.
> > I've just tested it explicitely since your postings made me nervous.
> 
>  Hmm. At least for the version I installed last friday (using
>  "install now" (aka setup) on the cygwin site) did *not* work.
>  I have had to copy "/usr/share/vimv/im60/vimrc_example" as
>  ".vimrc" to my $HOME and add the line "set fileformats=unix,dos"
>  under the line "set nocompatible".

Interesting.  I have no such option set explicitely.  When opening
vi and then call `:set fileformats', the output is

  fileformats=unix,dos

And this is the default setting on Unix systems.  Cygwin is treated as
a Unix system by vim.

> > However, the unix/dos file recognition works based on examining only
> > the first line, AFAIK, so if the first line has only a LF instead of
> > an CRLF for some reason, vim treats the file as unixy.  Then you see
> > the ^M beginning with line 2.
> 
>  My english is somewhat limited, but as I understand the "options.txt"
>  in vim doc-folder, vim reads the whole file dicides on how many <CR>,
>  <CR><NL> and >NL> it found. (However, that chapter in the docs is not
>  really clear to me).

You're right.  It examines the whole file but the notes are clear:

- If _all_ lines end in CRLF, it's treated as dos file.
- If _one_ line is found with only a LF, unix is preferred over dos.

Corinna

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SSH & Editing in a Basic Shell, etc

[Peter M Boyd]

I am having difficulty trying to use CYGWIN SSH to
connect from Windows NT Client to Windows NT Server
and run only a SHELL environment and NOT a Windows GUI
environment. Any shell will do if it can support my
further requirements, which are to be able:

(1)	to page or browse through text files

(2) to use an edit program to edit text files (and
support the CTRL& functions that the editor
may need)

(3)	to interrupt a long running function

(4)	to run programs that can be run from DOS CMD.EXE


I have the latest (as of 15 Nov 2001) CYQWIN & CYGWIN
SSH installed.

I have been advised to use the ‘bash’ shell and would
be happy to use something else if known to satisfy the
above.

Connection is working fine; (4) is working fine

I canÂ’t get anything to work for (1) to (3).

Can you suggest what can be used to achieve these.

I have already had quite a lot of advice that is
either imprecise or that the advisors havenÂ’t tried
for themselves.

I’ve recently tried ‘vim’ for (1) and (2), but ‘vim’
just “hangs” when invoked.

‘vim’ works fine in a local shell shell environment

My current SSH environments is:

----------------------

BASH=/bin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="05" [2]="0" [3]="8"
[4]="release" [5]="i686-pc-cygwin")
BASH_VERSION=$'2.05.0(8)-release'
COLUMNS=80
COMPUTERNAME=NOADP_NT
COMSPEC=$'C:\\WINNT\\system32\\cmd.exe'
CYGWIN=$'binmode ntsec tty'
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=513
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=/cygdrive/d/temp/.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/cygdrive/d/temp
HOMEDRIVE=d:
HOMEPATH=$'\\temp'
HOSTNAME=NOADP_NT
HOSTTYPE=i686
IFS=$' \t\n'
INCLUDE=$'C:\\Program Files\\Mts\\Include'
LIB=$'C:\\Program Files\\Mts\\Lib'
LINES=60
LOGNAME=ratest
MACHTYPE=i686-pc-cygwin
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/ratest
MAILCHECK=60
MAKE_MODE=unix
NTRESKIT=$'C:\\Program Files\\rksupport'
NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=1
OLDPWD=/cygdrive/d/temp
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OS=Windows_NT
OS2LIBPATH=$'C:\\WINNT\\system32\\os2\\dll;'
OSTYPE=cygwin
PATH=$'/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINNT:/cygdrive/c/Win32App/PVCS/DIMENS~1/5.0/PROG:/cygdrive/c/Win32App/PVCS/DIMENS~1/ORANT/BIN:/cygdrive/c/orawinnt/BIN:.:/cygdrive/c/WINNT/System32/WBEM:/cygdrive/c/Program
Files/Mts:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/rksupport:/bin'
PATHEXT=$'.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH'
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=306
PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=$'x86 Family 6 Model 5 Stepping
2, GenuineIntel'
PROCESSOR_LEVEL=6
PROCESSOR_REVISION=0502
PS1=$'\\[\\033]0;\\w\\007\n\\033[32m\\]\\u@\\h
\\[\\033[33m\\w\\033[0m\\]\n$ '
PS2=$'> '
PS4=$'+ '
PWD=/cygdrive/d/temp
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments:emacs
SHLVL=1
SSH_CLIENT=$'127.0.0.1 2934 22'
SSH_TTY=/dev/tty1
SYSTEMDRIVE=C:
SYSTEMROOT=$'C:\\WINNT'
TERM=cygwin
TZ=GMTST0GMTDT-1,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3
UID=513
USER=ratest
USERPROFILE=$'C:\\WINNT\\Profiles\\ratest'
WINDIR=$'C:\\WINNT'
_=pwd
i=$'/etc/profile.d/*.sh'

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SSH & Editing in a Basic Shell, etc

[Peter M Boyd]

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I am having difficulty trying to use CYGWIN SSH to
connect from Windows NT Client to Windows NT Server
and run only a SHELL environment and NOT a Windows GUI
environment. Any shell will do if it can support my
further requirements, which are to be able:

(1)	to page or browse through text files

(2) to use an edit program to edit text files (and
support the CTRL& functions that the editor
may need)

(3)	to interrupt a long running function

(4)	to run programs that can be run from DOS CMD.EXE


I have the latest (as of 15 Nov 2001) CYQWIN & CYGWIN
SSH installed.

I have been advised to use the ‘bash’ shell and would
be happy to use something else if known to satisfy the
above.

Connection is working fine; (4) is working fine

I canÂ’t get anything to work for (1) to (3).

Can you suggest what can be used to achieve these.

I have already had quite a lot of advice that is
either imprecise or that the advisors havenÂ’t tried
for themselves.

I’ve recently tried ‘vim’ for (1) and (2), but ‘vim’
just “hangs” when invoked.

‘vim’ works fine in a local shell shell environment

My current SSH environments is:

----------------------

BASH=/bin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="05" [2]="0" [3]="8"
[4]="release" [5]="i686-pc-cygwin")
BASH_VERSION=$'2.05.0(8)-release'
COLUMNS=80
COMPUTERNAME=NOADP_NT
COMSPEC=$'C:\\WINNT\\system32\\cmd.exe'
CYGWIN=$'binmode ntsec tty'
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=513
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=/cygdrive/d/temp/.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/cygdrive/d/temp
HOMEDRIVE=d:
HOMEPATH=$'\\temp'
HOSTNAME=NOADP_NT
HOSTTYPE=i686
IFS=$' \t\n'
INCLUDE=$'C:\\Program Files\\Mts\\Include'
LIB=$'C:\\Program Files\\Mts\\Lib'
LINES=60
LOGNAME=ratest
MACHTYPE=i686-pc-cygwin
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/ratest
MAILCHECK=60
MAKE_MODE=unix
NTRESKIT=$'C:\\Program Files\\rksupport'
NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=1
OLDPWD=/cygdrive/d/temp
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OS=Windows_NT
OS2LIBPATH=$'C:\\WINNT\\system32\\os2\\dll;'
OSTYPE=cygwin
PATH=$'/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32:/cygdrive/c/WINNT:/cygdrive/c/Win32App/PVCS/DIMENS~1/5.0/PROG:/cygdrive/c/Win32App/PVCS/DIMENS~1/ORANT/BIN:/cygdrive/c/orawinnt/BIN:.:/cygdrive/c/WINNT/System32/WBEM:/cygdrive/c/Program
Files/Mts:/cygdrive/c/Program Files/rksupport:/bin'
PATHEXT=$'.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH'
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=306
PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER=$'x86 Family 6 Model 5 Stepping
2, GenuineIntel'
PROCESSOR_LEVEL=6
PROCESSOR_REVISION=0502
PS1=$'\\[\\033]0;\\w\\007\n\\033[32m\\]\\u@\\h
\\[\\033[33m\\w\\033[0m\\]\n$ '
PS2=$'> '
PS4=$'+ '
PWD=/cygdrive/d/temp
SHELL=/bin/bash
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments:emacs
SHLVL=1
SSH_CLIENT=$'127.0.0.1 2934 22'
SSH_TTY=/dev/tty1
SYSTEMDRIVE=C:
SYSTEMROOT=$'C:\\WINNT'
TERM=cygwin
TZ=GMTST0GMTDT-1,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/3
UID=513
USER=ratest
USERPROFILE=$'C:\\WINNT\\Profiles\\ratest'
WINDIR=$'C:\\WINNT'
_=pwd
i=$'/etc/profile.d/*.sh'

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Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:43:29AM +0100, Bjoern Kahl AG Resy wrote:
> 
>  Hallo !
> 
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:54:47PM -0600, Joshua wrote:
> > >     I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
> > > option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
> > > binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,
> 
> > Nothing.  It should work automagically.  Which it does on my system.
> > I've just tested it explicitely since your postings made me nervous.
> 
>  Hmm. At least for the version I installed last friday (using
>  "install now" (aka setup) on the cygwin site) did *not* work.
>  I have had to copy "/usr/share/vimv/im60/vimrc_example" as
>  ".vimrc" to my $HOME and add the line "set fileformats=unix,dos"
>  under the line "set nocompatible".

Interesting.  I have no such option set explicitely.  When opening
vi and then call `:set fileformats', the output is

  fileformats=unix,dos

And this is the default setting on Unix systems.  Cygwin is treated as
a Unix system by vim.

> > However, the unix/dos file recognition works based on examining only
> > the first line, AFAIK, so if the first line has only a LF instead of
> > an CRLF for some reason, vim treats the file as unixy.  Then you see
> > the ^M beginning with line 2.
> 
>  My english is somewhat limited, but as I understand the "options.txt"
>  in vim doc-folder, vim reads the whole file dicides on how many <CR>,
>  <CR><NL> and >NL> it found. (However, that chapter in the docs is not
>  really clear to me).

You're right.  It examines the whole file but the notes are clear:

- If _all_ lines end in CRLF, it's treated as dos file.
- If _one_ line is found with only a LF, unix is preferred over dos.

Corinna

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Re: Unix/DOS text mode?

[Bjoern Kahl AG Resy]

 Hallo !

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:54:47PM -0600, Joshua wrote:
> >     I think I'm being a bit dense on this issue for which I apologize.  What
> > option needs to be set to have the Cygwin-packaged vim autodetect
> > binary/text files and edit/save accordingly?  My .vimrc is a binary file,

> Nothing.  It should work automagically.  Which it does on my system.
> I've just tested it explicitely since your postings made me nervous.

 Hmm. At least for the version I installed last friday (using
 "install now" (aka setup) on the cygwin site) did *not* work.
 I have had to copy "/usr/share/vimv/im60/vimrc_example" as
 ".vimrc" to my $HOME and add the line "set fileformats=unix,dos"
 under the line "set nocompatible".

> However, the unix/dos file recognition works based on examining only
> the first line, AFAIK, so if the first line has only a LF instead of
> an CRLF for some reason, vim treats the file as unixy.  Then you see
> the ^M beginning with line 2.

 My english is somewhat limited, but as I understand the "options.txt"
 in vim doc-folder, vim reads the whole file dicides on how many <CR>,
 <CR><NL> and >NL> it found. (However, that chapter in the docs is not
 really clear to me).


 Bjoern

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Re: SSH & Editing in a Basic Shell, etc

[Peter M Boyd]

CYGWIN SSHD does NOT support connection from Windows
NT Client to Windows NT Server and run only a SHELL
environment and NOT a Windows GUI environment AND
support the follwing requirements:

(1)	to page or browse through text files

(2) to use an edit program to edit text files (and
support the CTRL& functions that the editormay need)

(3)	to interrupt a long running function

BUT -- Vshell 1.2 from www.vandyke.com does do all of
these

Peter M Boyd

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Re: SSH & Editing in a Basic Shell, etc

[Peter M Boyd]

CYGWIN SSHD does NOT support connection from Windows
NT Client to Windows NT Server and run only a SHELL
environment and NOT a Windows GUI environment AND
support the follwing requirements:

(1)	to page or browse through text files

(2) to use an edit program to edit text files (and
support the CTRL& functions that the editormay need)

(3)	to interrupt a long running function

BUT -- Vshell 1.2 from www.vandyke.com does do all of
these

Peter M Boyd

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