* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
@ 2001-11-17 9:29 Mark Jones
2001-11-17 9:33 ` WM Collin Grady
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mark Jones @ 2001-11-17 9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephano Mariani, Charles Wilson; +Cc: cygwin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
> To: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
> Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
>
>
> > Concommitant with that, the default installation is now a bare minimum
> > of packages -- if you want more, you have to explicitly select the
> > additional packages.
First, thanks for the reply.
I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
That is my thoughts on the matter.
As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM for
X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
Mark
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: WM
2001-11-17 9:29 New Install May Have a Bug Mark Jones
@ 2001-11-17 9:33 ` Collin Grady
2001-11-17 9:46 ` WM Christopher Faylor
2001-11-27 12:51 ` WM Collin Grady
2001-11-17 10:51 ` New Install May Have a Bug Charles Wilson
2001-11-27 12:43 ` Mark Jones
2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Collin Grady @ 2001-11-17 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mark Jones, Cygwin ML
KDE and xfce work in Cygwin ;) The second link is a guy trying to get
Gnome working in Cygwin.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin/
http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/
-Collin Grady
Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
To: "Stephano Mariani" <sk.cygml@btinternet.com>; "Charles Wilson"
<cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
> > To: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
> > Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
> >
> >
> > > Concommitant with that, the default installation is now a bare
minimum
> > > of packages -- if you want more, you have to explicitly select the
> > > additional packages.
>
> First, thanks for the reply.
>
> I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and
Linux
> users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly
(like
> my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
>
> That is my thoughts on the matter.
>
> As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM
for
> X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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2001-11-17 9:33 ` WM Collin Grady
@ 2001-11-17 9:46 ` Christopher Faylor
2001-11-27 12:57 ` WM Christopher Faylor
2001-11-27 12:51 ` WM Collin Grady
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From: Christopher Faylor @ 2001-11-17 9:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:51:39PM -0800, Collin Grady wrote:
> KDE and xfce work in Cygwin ;) The second link is a guy trying to get
>Gnome working in Cygwin.
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin/
>http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/
Wrong mailing list.
cgf
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* Re: WM
2001-11-17 9:33 ` WM Collin Grady
2001-11-17 9:46 ` WM Christopher Faylor
@ 2001-11-27 12:51 ` Collin Grady
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Collin Grady @ 2001-11-27 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mark Jones, Cygwin ML
KDE and xfce work in Cygwin ;) The second link is a guy trying to get
Gnome working in Cygwin.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin/
http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/
-Collin Grady
Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
To: "Stephano Mariani" <sk.cygml@btinternet.com>; "Charles Wilson"
<cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
> > To: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
> > Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
> >
> >
> > > Concommitant with that, the default installation is now a bare
minimum
> > > of packages -- if you want more, you have to explicitly select the
> > > additional packages.
>
> First, thanks for the reply.
>
> I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and
Linux
> users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly
(like
> my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
>
> That is my thoughts on the matter.
>
> As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM
for
> X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 9:29 New Install May Have a Bug Mark Jones
2001-11-17 9:33 ` WM Collin Grady
@ 2001-11-17 10:51 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-17 13:44 ` Robert Collins
2001-11-27 13:27 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-27 12:43 ` Mark Jones
2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-17 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mark Jones; +Cc: Stephano Mariani, cygwin
Mark Jones wrote:
> First, thanks for the reply.
>
> I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
> users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
> my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
>
> That is my thoughts on the matter.
That's probably not a bad idea. Robert (Chris? Who maintains less?),
should 'less' be added to the Base package?
> As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM for
> X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
That is off-topic for this list. All X related questions should go to
cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com
--Chuck
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 10:51 ` New Install May Have a Bug Charles Wilson
@ 2001-11-17 13:44 ` Robert Collins
2001-11-17 15:52 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-27 14:26 ` Robert Collins
2001-11-27 13:27 ` Charles Wilson
1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Robert Collins @ 2001-11-17 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Charles Wilson; +Cc: Mark Jones, Stephano Mariani, cygwin
On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 08:28, Charles Wilson wrote:
> Mark Jones wrote:
>
>
> > First, thanks for the reply.
> >
> > I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> > little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> > expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
> > users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
> > my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> > ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
> >
> > That is my thoughts on the matter.
>
>
> That's probably not a bad idea. Robert (Chris? Who maintains less?),
> should 'less' be added to the Base package?
I don't think so. Once someone creates a metapackage, or I get the
clickable categories done, then the sensible user default becaomes
possible. The issue is that base really needs to be the _base_, not the
'end user default' - because some users may want less installed. (No pun
intended).
Rob
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 13:44 ` Robert Collins
@ 2001-11-17 15:52 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-27 14:52 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-27 14:26 ` Robert Collins
1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-17 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Collins; +Cc: Mark Jones, Stephano Mariani, cygwin
Robert Collins wrote:
>>
>>That's probably not a bad idea. Robert (Chris? Who maintains less?),
>>should 'less' be added to the Base package?
>>
>
> I don't think so. Once someone creates a metapackage, or I get the
> clickable categories done, then the sensible user default becaomes
> possible. The issue is that base really needs to be the _base_, not the
> 'end user default' - because some users may want less installed. (No pun
> intended).
Ah, yes of course. You are correct.
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 13:44 ` Robert Collins
2001-11-17 15:52 ` Charles Wilson
@ 2001-11-27 14:26 ` Robert Collins
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Robert Collins @ 2001-11-27 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Charles Wilson; +Cc: Mark Jones, Stephano Mariani, cygwin
On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 08:28, Charles Wilson wrote:
> Mark Jones wrote:
>
>
> > First, thanks for the reply.
> >
> > I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> > little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> > expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
> > users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
> > my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> > ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
> >
> > That is my thoughts on the matter.
>
>
> That's probably not a bad idea. Robert (Chris? Who maintains less?),
> should 'less' be added to the Base package?
I don't think so. Once someone creates a metapackage, or I get the
clickable categories done, then the sensible user default becaomes
possible. The issue is that base really needs to be the _base_, not the
'end user default' - because some users may want less installed. (No pun
intended).
Rob
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 10:51 ` New Install May Have a Bug Charles Wilson
2001-11-17 13:44 ` Robert Collins
@ 2001-11-27 13:27 ` Charles Wilson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-27 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mark Jones; +Cc: Stephano Mariani, cygwin
Mark Jones wrote:
> First, thanks for the reply.
>
> I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
> little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
> expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
> users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
> my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
> ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
>
> That is my thoughts on the matter.
That's probably not a bad idea. Robert (Chris? Who maintains less?),
should 'less' be added to the Base package?
> As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM for
> X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
That is off-topic for this list. All X related questions should go to
cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com
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* Re: New Install May Have a Bug
2001-11-17 9:29 New Install May Have a Bug Mark Jones
2001-11-17 9:33 ` WM Collin Grady
2001-11-17 10:51 ` New Install May Have a Bug Charles Wilson
@ 2001-11-27 12:43 ` Mark Jones
2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Mark Jones @ 2001-11-27 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephano Mariani, Charles Wilson; +Cc: cygwin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
> To: "Mark Jones" <mark_umr@excite.com>
> Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: New Install May Have a Bug
>
>
> > Concommitant with that, the default installation is now a bare minimum
> > of packages -- if you want more, you have to explicitly select the
> > additional packages.
First, thanks for the reply.
I understand the reasoning behind the choice, but I would suggest adding a
little more to the standard of minimum. Users of any UNIX like system
expect more/less to be present. I think it will turn people off, and Linux
users that install it will figure the install failed to work properly (like
my friend and I did) or will think Cygwin just doesn't have less or more
ported over to it and assume that Cygwin is not mature yet.
That is my thoughts on the matter.
As I side note, I would have something other than TWM be the default WM for
X, anything other than TWM, such as IceWM, FVWM, lesstif's MWM, etc.
Mark
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