From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30182 invoked by alias); 11 Jan 2002 16:21:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 30146 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 16:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20003.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.48) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 16:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020111162100.94738.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.41.224.3] by web20003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:21:00 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:21:00 -0000 From: Joshua Franklin Subject: Proposed Mailing List Page Reorg (was: RE: No stderr output) To: cygwin@cygwin.com In-Reply-To: <1010742369.28557.ezmlm@cygwin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-SW-Source: 2002-01/txt/msg00786.txt.bz2 A while ago I was helping students that were new to bash and UNIX and I wrote a little guide in HTML. Late I put together "Cygwin-Lite" (Cygwin on a floppy) and added the guide. This was before the setup.exe changes that made a minimal install easy. I've stopped updating Cygwin-Lite but I think the webpage is useful: http://cygwin-lite.sourceforge.net/html/begin.html At the bottom there are lots of links to other useful information. Anybody want to take a look and try to guess what I was smoking at the time? > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:55:54 -0600 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com > [mailto:cygwin-owner@cygwin.com]On Behalf > > Of Christopher Faylor > > > > [snip] > > > >For Bourne style shells I use > > > > > >runme > filename 2>&1 > > > > > >This redirects stdout first and then stderr to > whereever stdout is > > >pointing. > > > > If this doesn't do it, then I think the best plan > is to find help from > > another mailing list. Basic shell questions are > not really appropriate > > here -- especially given the recent volume we've > been experiencing. > > I've been cogitating for a while that it could be > mutually beneficial to > inexperienced users and regulars' blood pressures > alike if the Cygwin mailing > list page listed a few concrete URLs to such > "newbie" lists/newsgroups/FAQs etc, > and at the same time reworked the wording on the > description of this particular > list. Currently it says, "If you have questions > about how to use Cygwin, or any > of its tools (bash, gcc, make, etc.), this is the > list for you." That means: > "If you have any question whatsoever regarding > anything you can associate > somehow with Cygwin, post it here." That's simply > not the intention of the list > (at least since I've been around), nor should it be, > but the description simply > gives no indication of the true intent, i.e. > "Cygwin-specific questions only > need apply". > > Now as for where best to send people, I have no idea > (maybe some can just point > into the appropriate section of the FAQ). But > here's a rough outline of what > I'm thinking: > > > Help With The Tools Packaged With Cygwin > ======================================== > > Can't figure out the bash command line syntax? > Don't know what a HOME is? > What-ular expressions? These are general Unix sorts > of questions , and you'll > have the best luck getting help at one of these many > fine resources: > > Unix basics: http://wherever/ > Bash up the wazoo: news://bash.whatever/ > Regular Expressions Revealed: mailinglist://heretoo/ > > Cygwin Specific Mailing Lists > ============================= > > cygwin-xfree: (same description, note the clever > inversion of these two, thus > guaranteeing that no xfree questions get into the > main list). > > cygwin: A high volume list solely for the discussion > of Cygwin-specific > issues/problems/etc. If you have questions > specifically related to the Cygwin > ports of the tools, *not* regarding the tools > themselves, post here. > > Cygwin Developers Mailing Lists > =============================== > > Heaven help you if you post something off topic to > one of these: > > cygwin-apps: blah blah blah > etc > etc > > > Comments? Questions other than "what are you > smoking"? ;-) > > -- > Gary R. Van Sickle > Brewer. Patriot. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/