Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Schwartz, Barry]

I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre but...
I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on MKS...
Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even change a directory.
I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making a great product unusable.

Sincerely,
Barry Schwartz

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Chris Ellsworth]

umm calm down, maybe you could post more of your scripts and what they
do
and expound on this line
"What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?"
do you mean WHERE? not what?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schwartz, Barry" <Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com>
To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:46 PM
Subject: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...


> I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre
but...
> I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my
teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on
MKS...
> Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new
distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my
scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host
or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is
"/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies
get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even
change a directory.
> I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the
money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making
a great product unusable.
>
> Sincerely,
> Barry Schwartz
>
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Elizabeth Barham]

We're here to help you Barry.

Elizabeth

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Charles Wilson]

Schwartz, Barry wrote:

> I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre but...
> I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on MKS...
> Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even change a directory.
> I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making a great product unusable.


BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to 
this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content 
qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE this 
sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?

I mean, geez -- it worked, didn't it?  The guy IS getting his answers -- 
and very rapidly...  In behavioral science, we call this "positive 
reinforcement of aberrent behavior".

--Chuck


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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Scott Evans]

Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?

Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ... this guy asks
*this* and people rush to his assistance.



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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:34:28AM -0400, Scott Evans wrote:
>Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
>>BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
>>this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
>>qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
>>this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
>
>Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
>"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ...  this guy asks
>*this* and people rush to his assistance.

It's basically because we're not mean.

No, wait.  That can't be right.

cgf

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Michael A Chase]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:25 -0400 Christopher Faylor <cgf-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:34:28AM -0400, Scott Evans wrote:
> >Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> >>BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> >>this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> >>qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> >>this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> >
> >Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
> >"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ...  this guy asks
> >*this* and people rush to his assistance.
> 
> It's basically because we're not mean.
> 
> No, wait.  That can't be right.

_We_ aren't mean, just you. :}b
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Michael A Chase]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:25 -0400 Christopher Faylor <cgf-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:34:28AM -0400, Scott Evans wrote:
> >Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> >>BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> >>this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> >>qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> >>this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> >
> >Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
> >"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ...  this guy asks
> >*this* and people rush to his assistance.
> 
> It's basically because we're not mean.
> 
> No, wait.  That can't be right.

_We_ aren't mean, just you. :}b
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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> > BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> > this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> > qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> > this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> 
> Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
> "*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ... this guy asks
> *this* and people rush to his assistance.
> 

It's the time-honored "Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease" effect.

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Daan Hoogland]

Sorry for that last one,

I ment to say thanx for the tip (of the day).

>>>>> "Corinna" == Corinna Vinschen <cygwin@cygwin.com> writes:


    Corinna> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:14:14AM +0200, Daan Hoogland wrote:
    >> Now that you guys don't remember the subject anymore anyway;...
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes:
    >> 
    >> 
    Larry> At 01:42 PM 4/20/2002, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
    >> 
    >> ...
    >> >> Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?
    >> 
    Larry> LOL!
    >> 
    Larry> You know, that classic line came to my mind immediately on reading the 
    Larry> original post! ;-)
    >> 
    >> Thing like that yes, yourhonours. But what does LOL mean? (it's dutch
    >> for fun, so i'm quite surprised to have read it in this sea of fire/flame-war/flame-fare;-)

    Corinna>  Laughing Out Loud

    Corinna> Tip of the day: http://www.acronymfinder.com

    Corinna> Corinna

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Daan Hoogland]

>>>>> "Corinna" == Corinna Vinschen <cygwin@cygwin.com> writes:


    Corinna> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:14:14AM +0200, Daan Hoogland wrote:
    >> Now that you guys don't remember the subject anymore anyway;...
    >> 
    >> >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes:
    >> 
    >> 
    Larry> At 01:42 PM 4/20/2002, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
    >> 
    >> ...
    >> >> Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?
    >> 
    Larry> LOL!
    >> 
    Larry> You know, that classic line came to my mind immediately on reading the 
    Larry> original post! ;-)
    >> 
    >> Thing like that yes, yourhonours. But what does LOL mean? (it's dutch
    >> for fun, so i'm quite surprised to have read it in this sea of fire/flame-war/flame-fare;-)

    Corinna>  Laughing Out Loud

    Corinna> Tip of the day: http://www.acronymfinder.com
wdygbe
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:14:14AM +0200, Daan Hoogland wrote:
> Now that you guys don't remember the subject anymore anyway;...
> 
> >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes:
> 
> 
>     Larry> At 01:42 PM 4/20/2002, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
> 
> ...
>     >> Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?
> 
>     Larry> LOL!
> 
>     Larry> You know, that classic line came to my mind immediately on reading the 
>     Larry> original post! ;-)
> 
> Thing like that yes, yourhonours. But what does LOL mean? (it's dutch
> for fun, so i'm quite surprised to have read it in this sea of fire/flame-war/flame-fare;-)

 Laughing Out Loud

Tip of the day: http://www.acronymfinder.com

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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Daan Hoogland]

Now that you guys don't remember the subject anymore anyway;...

>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes:


    Larry> At 01:42 PM 4/20/2002, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:

...
    >> Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?

    Larry> LOL!

    Larry> You know, that classic line came to my mind immediately on reading the 
    Larry> original post! ;-)

Thing like that yes, yourhonours. But what does LOL mean? (it's dutch
for fun, so i'm quite surprised to have read it in this sea of fire/flame-war/flame-fare;-)


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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Robert Collins]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Williams [mailto:brucewms@pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:50 AM

> What if you didn't install cygwin on C: ? It is not a 
> requirement, is it? I have suspected my not installing it on 
> C: may be the source of some things being broken, and this 
> comment feeds my paranoia.

Mine is installed on F:. C: is not a requirement.

Rob

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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Heribert Dahms]

No, cgf isn't always mean!
Psst, I'll tell you a secret: The default of mean or not toggles
with every even/odd release, modulo phase of the moon 8-)


Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Michael A Chase [SMTP:mchase@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent:	Monday, April 22, 2002 18:28
> To:	cygwin@cygwin.com; Christopher Faylor
> Subject:	Re: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
> 
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:25 -0400 Christopher Faylor
> <cgf-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:34:28AM -0400, Scott Evans wrote:
> > >Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> > >>BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> > >>this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> > >>qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> > >>this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> > >
> > >Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
> > >"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ...  this guy asks
> > >*this* and people rush to his assistance.
> > 
> > It's basically because we're not mean.
> > 
> > No, wait.  That can't be right.
> 
> _We_ aren't mean, just you. :}b
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 01:42 PM 4/20/2002, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
> > BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to 
> > this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content 
> > qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE this 
> > sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> > 
> > I mean, geez -- it worked, didn't it?  The guy IS getting his answers -- 
> > and very rapidly...  In behavioral science, we call this "positive 
> > reinforcement of aberrent behavior".
>
>Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?

LOL!

You know, that classic line came to my mind immediately on reading the 
original post! ;-)



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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Joshua Daniel Franklin]

> BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to 
> this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content 
> qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE this 
> sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> 
> I mean, geez -- it worked, didn't it?  The guy IS getting his answers -- 
> and very rapidly...  In behavioral science, we call this "positive 
> reinforcement of aberrent behavior".

Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?


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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Charles Wilson]

Charles Wilson wrote:


> Oh -- and one more tip:  In windows (cmd.exe/command.com, etc) the 
> following is a perfectly valid pathspec:
>   A:/fred/george
> I've gotten into the habit of always using forward slashes -- in both 
> command.com and in bash, so I don't have to worry about the 'oh yeah in 
> bash you need to double up the backslashes' problem.


Oops -- misinformation alert.  A:/fred/george works in windows GUI file 
dialogs; it DOESN'T work in cmd.exe.  (I use 'raw' cmd.exe so rarely 
anymore, I somehow conflated "windows GUI file dialogs" with cmd.exe. 
sorry)

--Chuck



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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[wayne]

Well Barry for what it is worth I think the more cygwin becomes
like unix the better.  After all it is a product designed to
make windows work more like unix and ease porting of unix code
to windows.  As for the backward paths delimiters and drive letters
they will make your code unable to run on unix if you want your
code portable you need to not use them.  
As for /usr/local/bin that is very useful I can have my program
put something in /usr/local/bin and it will work wither or not
the OS is windows, AIX, Solaris FreeBSD or Linux.  In other words
I can write the script once and never change it... provided I 
don't add things like c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc.  If I do that
then my code will not work on anything but winnt.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:29:46PM -0700, Schwartz, Barry wrote:
> OK.  Feeling better now... If one of my customers wrote me that with no
> examples, I'd get a kick out of it too.
> So...
> rsh must have changed.  I use it in a script to move perforce clients around
> from NT to UNIX.
> The attached script, getfull.pl is the example that failed with the new program
> and worked with the old.
> 
> Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" have changed too in my
> opinion, not the least of which is the fau root directory and all the cygnus
> stuff being in "/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine.  I
> would much rather see the native paths.  That is definately what the old code
> did and what my scripts expect.  
> 
> I definately do not need you guys to fix my scripts or show me how the programs
> work.  I can handle that.  It's just that it's not how I really want to spend a
> half a work day when I have other stuff to do.  I'm also a little embarrassed
> since I raved about your tools and made another group adopt them for an
> upcomming project.  Now, when they try to run my scripts, they will crap out...
> 
> I'll probably have to fix them since you won't be supporting the old stuff and I
> need some of the tools only available in the new release.   
> 
> Although I need to tone down...  I really do "feel" the unixisms creeping in.  I
> like the semantics of the unix commands and the familiarity since I work on both
> platforms.  But, on a windows box (my main sqeeze) I expect paths and file
> locations to take the windows form.  Just my opinion...
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me by the way.
> 
> barry
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Ellsworth [mailto:cke@highlandshighspeed.net]
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:37 PM
> > To: Schwartz, Barry; cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Subject: Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> > 
> > 
> > umm calm down, maybe you could post more of your scripts and what they
> > do
> > and expound on this line
> > "What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?"
> > do you mean WHERE? not what?
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Schwartz, Barry" <Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com>
> > To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:46 PM
> > Subject: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre
> > but...
> > > I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my
> > teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on
> > MKS...
> > > Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new
> > distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my
> > scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host
> > or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is
> > "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies
> > get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even
> > change a directory.
> > > I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the
> > money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making
> > a great product unusable.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Barry Schwartz
> > >
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Charles Wilson]

>>Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" 
>>have changed too in my opinion, not the least of which is the 
>>fau root directory and all the cygnus stuff being in 
>>"/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine. 
>>
> 
> The cygnus stuff goes into c:\cygwin\bin aka /usr/bin, not
> /usr/local/bin. Are you sure you installed Cygwin via setup.exe, not
> from some other site?


I'm curious to know exactly how OLD is the version of cygwin that 
"worked" for you, Barry?  I mean, the 'mount' convention has been around 
since StoneHenge or longer -- that is, using a mount table to create a 
mapping between multi-rooted windows paths (A:\this, C:\that) and a 
single-rooted unixlike path structure (/ == root, but /cygdrive/a/this = 
A:\this, etc.  Note that /cygdrive/X/ = X:\ is handled automagically by 
cygwin -- and the old mechanism (//X/ = X:\) doesn't work anymore 
because it's too similar to the way you access remote windows shares 
(//computer/share/file  :  what if you have a computer named 'X'?)

 
> As for the tools, by and large they all support d:\foo syntax as well -
> but remember, if you run them within bash, the \ becomes an escape
> character, so you need d:\\foo for the tool to see the backslash.


Although those programs that use ':' as a delimiter in their filespec 
arguments may be a little confused -- but most of the tools I am talking 
about are fairly new compared to stonehenge, so I doubt they 'broke' on 
your system; your ancient installation just didn't HAVE an scp program...

scp A:\\boblocal remotecomp:fred

scp MAY be confused by this:
   1) copy file /boblocal on computer 'A' to file ~/fred on computer 
'remotecomp'?  scp can't do 3rd party transfers.
   2) copy local file boblocal on local disk A:\ to file ~/fred on 
computer remotecomp?  Sure, no problem...

I'm not sure which interpretation scp will use.

Oh -- and one more tip:  In windows (cmd.exe/command.com, etc) the 
following is a perfectly valid pathspec:
   A:/fred/george
I've gotten into the habit of always using forward slashes -- in both 
command.com and in bash, so I don't have to worry about the 'oh yeah in 
bash you need to double up the backslashes' problem.

--Chuck


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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Robert Collins]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schwartz, Barry [mailto:Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:30 PM
> To: 'Chris Ellsworth'; Schwartz, Barry; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> OK.  Feeling better now... If one of my customers wrote me 
> that with no examples, I'd get a kick out of it too. So... 
> rsh must have changed.  I use it in a script to move perforce 
> clients around from NT to UNIX. The attached script, 
> getfull.pl is the example that failed with the new program 
> and worked with the old.
> 
> Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" 
> have changed too in my opinion, not the least of which is the 
> fau root directory and all the cygnus stuff being in 
> "/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine. 

The cygnus stuff goes into c:\cygwin\bin aka /usr/bin, not
/usr/local/bin. Are you sure you installed Cygwin via setup.exe, not
from some other site?

As for the tools, by and large they all support d:\foo syntax as well -
but remember, if you run them within bash, the \ becomes an escape
character, so you need d:\\foo for the tool to see the backslash.

Rob

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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Schwartz, Barry]

OK.  Feeling better now... If one of my customers wrote me that with no
examples, I'd get a kick out of it too.
So...
rsh must have changed.  I use it in a script to move perforce clients around
from NT to UNIX.
The attached script, getfull.pl is the example that failed with the new program
and worked with the old.

Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" have changed too in my
opinion, not the least of which is the fau root directory and all the cygnus
stuff being in "/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine.  I
would much rather see the native paths.  That is definately what the old code
did and what my scripts expect.  

I definately do not need you guys to fix my scripts or show me how the programs
work.  I can handle that.  It's just that it's not how I really want to spend a
half a work day when I have other stuff to do.  I'm also a little embarrassed
since I raved about your tools and made another group adopt them for an
upcomming project.  Now, when they try to run my scripts, they will crap out...

I'll probably have to fix them since you won't be supporting the old stuff and I
need some of the tools only available in the new release.   

Although I need to tone down...  I really do "feel" the unixisms creeping in.  I
like the semantics of the unix commands and the familiarity since I work on both
platforms.  But, on a windows box (my main sqeeze) I expect paths and file
locations to take the windows form.  Just my opinion...

Thanks for getting back to me by the way.

barry


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Ellsworth [mailto:cke@highlandshighspeed.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:37 PM
> To: Schwartz, Barry; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> umm calm down, maybe you could post more of your scripts and what they
> do
> and expound on this line
> "What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?"
> do you mean WHERE? not what?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schwartz, Barry" <Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com>
> To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:46 PM
> Subject: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> > I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre
> but...
> > I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my
> teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on
> MKS...
> > Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new
> distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my
> scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host
> or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is
> "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies
> get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even
> change a directory.
> > I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the
> money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making
> a great product unusable.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Barry Schwartz
> >
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Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Roland Glenn McIntosh]

Well Barry, I understand you're pissed off, but the changes were made for logical reasons.  I'm sure that a quick skim of the FAQ would answer most of your questions.

And /usr/local/bin is in /usr/local/bin on a windows box, as long as you're running a cygwin shell.  Otherwise it's *probably* in C:\cygwin\usr\local\bin  - that's pretty straightforward.  It's worth noting that the windows "find" command can help you locate other things on your computer (like all folders named X11, for example, or all executables named "ls").

If you have specific complains about behaviour in 1.3.10 I'm sure the list could explain why things are done the way they are currently.  I personally find it both useful and largely intuitive.

Also - your scripts call routines?  You mean like, programs?  Sounds like you might want to read the documentation for cygpath too.  The directory change command is "cd" and check your mount table.

-rgm

At 03:46 PM 04.19.2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre but...
>I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on MKS...
>Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even change a directory.
>I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making a great product unusable.
>
>Sincerely,
>Barry Schwartz
>
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RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...

[Robert Collins]

Without ANY example of what you are calling, there is NO way that
assistance can be provided.

Rob

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