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* Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-20 10:51 Joshua Daniel Franklin
  2002-04-20 14:28 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Joshua Daniel Franklin @ 2002-04-20 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

> BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to 
> this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content 
> qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE this 
> sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> 
> I mean, geez -- it worked, didn't it?  The guy IS getting his answers -- 
> and very rapidly...  In behavioral science, we call this "positive 
> reinforcement of aberrent behavior".

Yeah, what ever happened to "because we're mean"?


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* RE: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-22 15:32 Robert Collins
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Collins @ 2002-04-22 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brucewms; +Cc: cygwin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Williams [mailto:brucewms@pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:50 AM

> What if you didn't install cygwin on C: ? It is not a 
> requirement, is it? I have suspected my not installing it on 
> C: may be the source of some things being broken, and this 
> comment feeds my paranoia.

Mine is installed on F:. C: is not a requirement.

Rob

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* RE: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-22 13:26 Heribert Dahms
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Heribert Dahms @ 2002-04-22 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Michael A Chase', cygwin

No, cgf isn't always mean!
Psst, I'll tell you a secret: The default of mean or not toggles
with every even/odd release, modulo phase of the moon 8-)


Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Michael A Chase [SMTP:mchase@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent:	Monday, April 22, 2002 18:28
> To:	cygwin@cygwin.com; Christopher Faylor
> Subject:	Re: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
> 
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:25 -0400 Christopher Faylor
> <cgf-cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:34:28AM -0400, Scott Evans wrote:
> > >Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:
> > >>BTW, did it occur to anyone that the rapid and multiple responses to
> > >>this email -- which, given its tone and lack of specific content
> > >>qualifies as a troll by any objective measure -- serve to ENCOURAGE
> > >>this sort of insistent, badgering, and rude behavior?
> > >
> > >Yeah, this is weird.  People ask polite questions and get slapped with
> > >"*eye roll* it's free software newbie, read the FAQ" ...  this guy asks
> > >*this* and people rush to his assistance.
> > 
> > It's basically because we're not mean.
> > 
> > No, wait.  That can't be right.
> 
> _We_ aren't mean, just you. :}b
> --
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> 

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* RE: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-19 20:02 Robert Collins
  2002-04-19 20:30 ` Charles Wilson
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Collins @ 2002-04-19 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Schwartz, Barry, Chris Ellsworth, cygwin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schwartz, Barry [mailto:Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:30 PM
> To: 'Chris Ellsworth'; Schwartz, Barry; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: RE: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> OK.  Feeling better now... If one of my customers wrote me 
> that with no examples, I'd get a kick out of it too. So... 
> rsh must have changed.  I use it in a script to move perforce 
> clients around from NT to UNIX. The attached script, 
> getfull.pl is the example that failed with the new program 
> and worked with the old.
> 
> Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" 
> have changed too in my opinion, not the least of which is the 
> fau root directory and all the cygnus stuff being in 
> "/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine. 

The cygnus stuff goes into c:\cygwin\bin aka /usr/bin, not
/usr/local/bin. Are you sure you installed Cygwin via setup.exe, not
from some other site?

As for the tools, by and large they all support d:\foo syntax as well -
but remember, if you run them within bash, the \ becomes an escape
character, so you need d:\\foo for the tool to see the backslash.

Rob

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* RE: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-19 19:35 Schwartz, Barry
  2002-04-19 20:38 ` wayne
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Schwartz, Barry @ 2002-04-19 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'Chris Ellsworth', Schwartz, Barry, cygwin

OK.  Feeling better now... If one of my customers wrote me that with no
examples, I'd get a kick out of it too.
So...
rsh must have changed.  I use it in a script to move perforce clients around
from NT to UNIX.
The attached script, getfull.pl is the example that failed with the new program
and worked with the old.

Also, the semantics and output of "which", "ls", and "cp" have changed too in my
opinion, not the least of which is the fau root directory and all the cygnus
stuff being in "/usr/local/bin" which is not a real directory on my machine.  I
would much rather see the native paths.  That is definately what the old code
did and what my scripts expect.  

I definately do not need you guys to fix my scripts or show me how the programs
work.  I can handle that.  It's just that it's not how I really want to spend a
half a work day when I have other stuff to do.  I'm also a little embarrassed
since I raved about your tools and made another group adopt them for an
upcomming project.  Now, when they try to run my scripts, they will crap out...

I'll probably have to fix them since you won't be supporting the old stuff and I
need some of the tools only available in the new release.   

Although I need to tone down...  I really do "feel" the unixisms creeping in.  I
like the semantics of the unix commands and the familiarity since I work on both
platforms.  But, on a windows box (my main sqeeze) I expect paths and file
locations to take the windows form.  Just my opinion...

Thanks for getting back to me by the way.

barry


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Ellsworth [mailto:cke@highlandshighspeed.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 4:37 PM
> To: Schwartz, Barry; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> umm calm down, maybe you could post more of your scripts and what they
> do
> and expound on this line
> "What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?"
> do you mean WHERE? not what?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schwartz, Barry" <Barry.Schwartz@netapp.com>
> To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:46 PM
> Subject: Why did you guys break EVERYTHING...
> 
> 
> > I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre
> but...
> > I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my
> teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on
> MKS...
> > Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new
> distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my
> scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host
> or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is
> "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies
> get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even
> change a directory.
> > I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the
> money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making
> a great product unusable.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Barry Schwartz
> >
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* RE: Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-19 16:23 Robert Collins
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Collins @ 2002-04-19 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Schwartz, Barry, cygwin

Without ANY example of what you are calling, there is NO way that
assistance can be provided.

Rob

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* Why did you guys break  EVERYTHING...
@ 2002-04-19 16:06 Schwartz, Barry
  2002-04-19 17:00 ` Chris Ellsworth
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Schwartz, Barry @ 2002-04-19 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'cygwin@cygwin.com'

I'm sure you won't put this in the "intelligent" question genre but...
I've been using cygwin for years and I brag about it and make all my teammates install it and make my managers refuse to piss away money on MKS...
Well, I think that party's over.  I just installed the new distribution and every one (and I mean EVERY GODDAMN ONE) of my scripts that call any of your routines that need to know what a host or a directory are f#$king broke.  What in god's name is "/usr/local/bin" on a windows machine?  Why don't you UNIX weeneies get a grip.  F#$king fix it.  It used to be great.  Now I can't even change a directory.
I've gone back to your old, unsupported code until we can find the money to equip our team with MKS for $400 a throw.  Thanks for making a great product unusable.

Sincerely,
Barry Schwartz

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2002-04-19 16:23 Robert Collins
2002-04-19 16:06 Schwartz, Barry
2002-04-19 17:00 ` Chris Ellsworth
2002-04-19 18:38 ` Elizabeth Barham
2002-04-19 20:36 ` Charles Wilson
2002-04-22  7:44   ` Scott Evans
2002-04-22  7:59     ` Christopher Faylor
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