* ps and linking to cygwin.dll
@ 2002-04-23 16:07 Ryan T. Sammartino
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From: Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-23 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am I correct in stating that the only processes that ps will list are
processes that are linked to cygwin.dll?
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* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll [not found] ` <4.3.1.2.20020423211751.016e3178@pop.ma.ultranet.com> @ 2002-04-24 10:06 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 2002-04-24 10:07 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-24 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); +Cc: Cygwin List On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:19:06PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > At 06:51 PM 4/23/2002, you wrote: > > >Am I correct in stating that the only processes that ps will list are > >processes that are linked to cygwin.dll? > > > No. See 'ps -h'. $ ps -h ps: unknown option -- h Pretty sure I have the latest greatest "ps". "man ps" says: The ps program gives the status of all the Cygwin pro- cesses running on the system (ps = "process status"). but that doesn't mean *just* Cygwin processes, and it isn't 100% clear what a "Cygwin process" is. (Oh wait... now I see the slight ambiguity in my question... I should have said "... that 'ps -a' will list..." explicitly excluding the -W option.) -- Ryan T. Sammartino http://members.shaw.ca/ryants/ BOO! We changed Coke again! BLEAH! BLEAH! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 10:06 ` Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-24 10:07 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2002-04-24 15:05 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-24 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan T. Sammartino; +Cc: Cygwin List At 12:28 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: >On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:19:06PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > > At 06:51 PM 4/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > >Am I correct in stating that the only processes that ps will list are > > >processes that are linked to cygwin.dll? > > > > > > No. See 'ps -h'. > > >$ ps -h >ps: unknown option -- h > > >Pretty sure I have the latest greatest "ps". "man ps" says: > > The ps program gives the status of all the Cygwin pro- > cesses running on the system (ps = "process status"). > >but that doesn't mean *just* Cygwin processes, and it isn't 100% clear >what a "Cygwin process" is. > > >(Oh wait... now I see the slight ambiguity in my question... I should >have said "... that 'ps -a' will list..." explicitly excluding the -W >option.) OK, I didn't notice that '-h' isn't a valid option either. The important part is that it lists the options. Doesn't this answer your question? Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 10:07 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-24 15:05 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 2002-04-24 15:37 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-24 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cygwin List On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:39:25PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > At 12:28 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: > > OK, I didn't notice that '-h' isn't a valid option either. The important > part is that it lists the options. Doesn't this answer your question? > Not really. The question is *not* "How do I get ps to display Windows processes". The question is: Does 'ps' (without -W) list only processes that have been linked to the Cygwin dll? Releated question: The man page says ps will list "Cygwin processes". What is a "Cygwin process", exactly? Is a Cygwin process an executable that's been linked to the Cygwin dll? Does "will list" mean "will *only* list" (in the absence of the -W option)? Make sense? -- Ryan T. Sammartino http://members.shaw.ca/ryants/ Remember: use logout to logout. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 15:05 ` Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-24 15:37 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2002-04-24 18:36 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-24 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan T. Sammartino, Cygwin List At 05:18 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: >On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:39:25PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > > At 12:28 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: > > > > OK, I didn't notice that '-h' isn't a valid option either. The important > > part is that it lists the options. Doesn't this answer your question? > > > >Not really. The question is *not* "How do I get ps to display Windows >processes". The question is: > >Does 'ps' (without -W) list only processes that have been linked to the >Cygwin dll? > >Releated question: > >The man page says ps will list "Cygwin processes". What is a "Cygwin >process", exactly? Is a Cygwin process an executable that's been linked >to the Cygwin dll? Does "will list" mean "will *only* list" (in the >absence of the -W option)? > > >Make sense? Not to me but... The answer is yes to all questions. I expect you would be able to figure this out by playing with it briefly. If not, the answer is also in the email archives (or source code). Sorry but I feel a little like we're beating a dead horse here. Anyway, we're sure it's dead now, right? Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 15:37 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-24 18:36 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 2002-04-25 7:41 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2002-04-25 15:55 ` Stephen Powell 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-24 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Cygwin List On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:09:44PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > At 05:18 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: > > > >Not really. The question is *not* "How do I get ps to display Windows > >processes". The question is: > > > >Does 'ps' (without -W) list only processes that have been linked to the > >Cygwin dll? > > > >Releated question: > > > >The man page says ps will list "Cygwin processes". What is a "Cygwin > >process", exactly? Is a Cygwin process an executable that's been linked > >to the Cygwin dll? Does "will list" mean "will *only* list" (in the > >absence of the -W option)? > > > > > >Make sense? > > > Not to me but... The answer is yes to all questions. I expect you would > be able to figure this out by playing with it briefly. If not, the answer > is also in the email archives (or source code). Sorry but I feel a little > like we're beating a dead horse here. Anyway, we're sure it's dead now, > right? > Not quite yet :) So, if I see a process in 'ps -a' output that is *not* linked to Cygwin dll, that's a bug? Or, does it mean that it is linked to the Cygwin dll, and that "depend" tool that comes with Visual Studio is lying to me? -- Ryan T. Sammartino http://members.shaw.ca/ryants/ Backed up the system lately? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 18:36 ` Ryan T. Sammartino @ 2002-04-25 7:41 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2002-04-25 15:55 ` Stephen Powell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-25 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan T. Sammartino, Cygwin List At 07:34 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: >On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:09:44PM -0400, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > > At 05:18 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: > > > > > >Not really. The question is *not* "How do I get ps to display Windows > > >processes". The question is: > > > > > >Does 'ps' (without -W) list only processes that have been linked to the > > >Cygwin dll? > > > > > >Releated question: > > > > > >The man page says ps will list "Cygwin processes". What is a "Cygwin > > >process", exactly? Is a Cygwin process an executable that's been linked > > >to the Cygwin dll? Does "will list" mean "will *only* list" (in the > > >absence of the -W option)? > > > > > > > > >Make sense? > > > > > > Not to me but... The answer is yes to all questions. I expect you would > > be able to figure this out by playing with it briefly. If not, the answer > > is also in the email archives (or source code). Sorry but I feel a little > > like we're beating a dead horse here. Anyway, we're sure it's dead now, > > right? > > > >Not quite yet :) > >So, if I see a process in 'ps -a' output that is *not* linked to Cygwin >dll, that's a bug? Yes. >Or, does it mean that it is linked to the Cygwin dll, and that "depend" >tool that comes with Visual Studio is lying to me? No. The process may load Cygwin DLL at runtime. "depends" won't detect this. Of course, if I knew the specifics of the case you're concerned about, I or someone else might be able to better advise you. Is there any reason that you want to hide the details of the specific problem you're seeing? Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll 2002-04-24 18:36 ` Ryan T. Sammartino 2002-04-25 7:41 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2002-04-25 15:55 ` Stephen Powell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Stephen Powell @ 2002-04-25 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan T Sammartino <ryants@shaw.ca> writes: > So, if I see a process in 'ps -a' output that is *not* linked to > Cygwin dll, that's a bug? A process spawned by a Cygwin process will be displayed e.g. (the $ is the bash prompt) $ which regedit /c/winnt/regedit $ regedit & [1] 1880 $ ps -a PID PPID PGID WINPID TTY UID STIME COMMAND 1508 1 1508 1508 ? 18 Apr 24 /usr/bin/cygrunsrv 1664 1508 1508 1772 ? 18 Apr 24 /usr/sbin/cron 864 1 864 864 0 1000 04:58:43 /gnu/local/bin/ispell 1592 1 1592 1592 1 1000 06:05:55 /usr/bin/bash 1880 1592 1880 1880 1 1000 06:41:16 /c/winnt/regedit 1760 1592 1760 1524 1 1000 06:41:23 /usr/bin/ps In this example the parent process (PPID) of the Windows registry editor (regedit) is the bash shell. -- Stephen Powell stephen_powell@optusnet.com.au -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* RE: ps and linking to cygwin.dll @ 2002-04-25 14:00 Heribert Dahms 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Heribert Dahms @ 2002-04-25 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan T. Sammartino, Cygwin List Runtime loaded cygwin may be checked for example with the process viewer from NTRESKIT: select process, click memory details, open drop-down to see dlls instead of total commit. Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com) > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [SMTP:lhall@rfk.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 16:12 > To: Ryan T. Sammartino; Cygwin List > Subject: Re: ps and linking to cygwin.dll > > At 07:34 PM 4/24/2002, Ryan T. Sammartino wrote: > [Heribert] [snip] > >Or, does it mean that it is linked to the Cygwin dll, and that "depend" > >tool that comes with Visual Studio is lying to me? > > > No. The process may load Cygwin DLL at runtime. "depends" won't detect > this. Of course, if I knew the specifics of the case you're concerned > about, I or someone else might be able to better advise you. Is there > any reason that you want to hide the details of the specific problem > you're > seeing? > > > > > > Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com > RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com > 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office > Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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