Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Ryan Fulcher]

To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!

I am having an issue with the cygwin installation, here is my situation.
I am installing 400+ workstations at a school, they are all 2k and I've
devised a touchless installation process for the OS and ALL the apps.

I use VBS scripts for each applications installation and have been able
to deal with many quarks regarding each packages unique installation
process.  UNTIL NOW! of all the unfriendly installers I have to say
I am very disappointed with the cygwin installer.  You see the VBS
scripts rely heavily on the use of "window title detection">OutPut and
"KEYSTROKING">InPut as it's difficult to control the mouse with a
script.

To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the setup.exe respond to keystrokes, eg.
{TAB 4}{TAB}{TAB} over to the package I like, " "cycle the behavior
between (skip, install_vX, install_vY, install_vZ). {alt}+{n} next
step in the installation.. This would be a great help. cummon guys
open source stuff is supposed to be "Friendly", that means it plays
well with "keyboards"!!!!!

L8r
 ThanX for hearing my rants
  Ryan rfulcher@digipen.edu

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Re: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 04:32 PM 5/10/2002, Ryan Fulcher wrote:
>To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
>
>I am having an issue with the cygwin installation, here is my situation.
>I am installing 400+ workstations at a school, they are all 2k and I've
>devised a touchless installation process for the OS and ALL the apps.
>
>I use VBS scripts for each applications installation and have been able
>to deal with many quarks regarding each packages unique installation
>process.  UNTIL NOW! of all the unfriendly installers I have to say
>I am very disappointed with the cygwin installer.  You see the VBS
>scripts rely heavily on the use of "window title detection">OutPut and
>"KEYSTROKING">InPut as it's difficult to control the mouse with a
>script.
>
>To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the setup.exe respond to keystrokes, eg.
>{TAB 4}{TAB}{TAB} over to the package I like, " "cycle the behavior
>between (skip, install_vX, install_vY, install_vZ). {alt}+{n} next
>step in the installation.. This would be a great help. cummon guys
>open source stuff is supposed to be "Friendly", that means it plays
>well with "keyboards"!!!!!
>
>L8r
>  ThanX for hearing my rants



Thanks for your rant.  May I point out that you only need to send to one
list?  Polluting others with the same message is a waste of bandwidth and
allot of people's time.  If you need help figuring out which list to send
to, consult http://cygwin.com/lists.html.  In general, the Cygwin home page
is the best place to start when looking for information, just as an aside.

As you point out, Cygwin is open-source.  It's kept alive by a group of 
volunteers that maintain the functionality.  I'm sure your request will
end up on the list of enhancements.  However, as an open-source project,
there's no need to plead with others to get them to do what you want.  You
can add it yourself if you're capable or find someone to do it for you.
This is often the best way to get alternate functionality into open-source
work, since not everyone's priority for features is the same.

Hope that helps,


Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX


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RE: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
>

Yeah, life sucks don't it?  ("Keyable"?)

> I am having an issue with the cygwin installation, here is my situation.
> I am installing 400+ workstations at a school, they are all 2k and I've
> devised a touchless installation process for the OS and ALL the apps.
>

Cool!  You're the first to have sucessfully done this.

> I use VBS scripts for each applications installation and have been able
> to deal with many quarks regarding each packages unique installation
> process.

Visual Basic meets Unix, that's the problem here.  When they come into contact,
they cancel each other out in a burst of gamma rays from which not even light
can escape.

>  UNTIL NOW! of all the unfriendly installers I have to say
> I am very disappointed with the cygwin installer.

Then pick up a cross and do something about it.

>  You see the VBS
> scripts rely heavily on the use of "window title detection">OutPut and
> "KEYSTROKING">InPut as it's difficult to control the mouse with a
> script.
>

Right, so it'd be a lot easier to avoid the VB altogether, right?

> To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!

You already said that.

> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the setup.exe respond to keystrokes

You do it, I'm tired.

>, eg.
> {TAB 4}{TAB}{TAB} over to the package I like, " "cycle the behavior
> between (skip, install_vX, install_vY, install_vZ). {alt}+{n} next
> step in the installation..

Hehehehe!  He's talking funny talk!

> This would be a great help. cummon

(sp)

> guys
> open source stuff is supposed to be "Friendly",

Since when?

> that means it plays
> well with "keyboards"!!!!!
>

And here I always thought "Friendly" meant things like not looking a gift horse
in the mouth unless you were willing to do the dental work.

> L8r
>  ThanX for hearing my rants
>   Ryan rfulcher@digipen.edu
>

N0 pr031em, d00d!

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Gary R. Van Sickle
Brewer.  Patriot.


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Re: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Christopher Faylor]

This message is definitely going to be in the running for "Best of
Cygwin 2002" in the "Funniest Response to Obnoxious User" category.

cgf

On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:15:01PM -0500, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>> To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
>>
>
>Yeah, life sucks don't it?  ("Keyable"?)
>
>> I am having an issue with the cygwin installation, here is my situation.
>> I am installing 400+ workstations at a school, they are all 2k and I've
>> devised a touchless installation process for the OS and ALL the apps.
>>
>
>Cool!  You're the first to have sucessfully done this.
>
>> I use VBS scripts for each applications installation and have been able
>> to deal with many quarks regarding each packages unique installation
>> process.
>
>Visual Basic meets Unix, that's the problem here.  When they come into contact,
>they cancel each other out in a burst of gamma rays from which not even light
>can escape.
>
>>  UNTIL NOW! of all the unfriendly installers I have to say
>> I am very disappointed with the cygwin installer.
>
>Then pick up a cross and do something about it.
>
>>  You see the VBS
>> scripts rely heavily on the use of "window title detection">OutPut and
>> "KEYSTROKING">InPut as it's difficult to control the mouse with a
>> script.
>>
>
>Right, so it'd be a lot easier to avoid the VB altogether, right?
>
>> To my GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT the package selection menu is NOT KEYABLE!
>
>You already said that.
>
>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the setup.exe respond to keystrokes
>
>You do it, I'm tired.
>
>>, eg.
>> {TAB 4}{TAB}{TAB} over to the package I like, " "cycle the behavior
>> between (skip, install_vX, install_vY, install_vZ). {alt}+{n} next
>> step in the installation..
>
>Hehehehe!  He's talking funny talk!
>
>> This would be a great help. cummon
>
>(sp)
>
>> guys
>> open source stuff is supposed to be "Friendly",
>
>Since when?
>
>> that means it plays
>> well with "keyboards"!!!!!
>>
>
>And here I always thought "Friendly" meant things like not looking a gift horse
>in the mouth unless you were willing to do the dental work.
>
>> L8r
>>  ThanX for hearing my rants
>>   Ryan rfulcher@digipen.edu
>>
>
>N0 pr031em, d00d!
>
>--
>Gary R. Van Sickle
>Brewer.  Patriot.
>
>
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RE: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Robert Collins]

Please keep discussions on the list.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Fulcher [mailto:rfulcher@digipen.edu] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Robert Collins
> Subject: Re: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.
> 
> 
> kewl, ya, the keying selections during an install could get a 
> little messy, especially if the components are changing. 
> Command line would be much cleaner and effective, Is this in 
> the works? Can I expect it in a few months?

Have a look in the email archives.
 
> I was looking for the setup.exe source (didn't find it) so I 
> could possible hack it up to get it to work today.  As a 
> number of kids would like to use it, and our short summer 
> semester is a good chance for me to see how things are going 
> to work.  But I've missed that so I'll have to find another 
> way to get it installed in the comming weeks.

Look at the http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin-apps.
 
Rob

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RE: Installation Issue, un-scriptable installer.

[Robert Collins]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Fulcher [mailto:rfulcher@digipen.edu] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:32 AM

> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the setup.exe respond to 
> keystrokes.

No.

I will accept patches that do this cleanly.

However for your needs it's an inappropriate solution. The command line
scriptable capabilities will address your situation much more cleanly.

Rob

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