RE: procmail output file format.

RE: procmail output file format.

[Heribert Dahms]

Hi Jason(s),

did you try a symlink?
You might even store a script to recreate that in your backuped area 8-)

Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jason House [SMTP:jhouse@mitre.org]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 30, 2002 22:21
> To:	Jason Tishler
> Cc:	cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject:	Re: procmail output file format.
> 
	[Heribert]  [snip]

> Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.
> 
	[Heribert]  [snip] 


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Re: procmail output file format.

[Jason House]

Nice solution :) I like it.

Removing /home/Administrator and making it a simulink to my desired home
works perfectly.  It is also a very easy thing to recreate in the event
of a full restore...  I also allows me to remove my hacks to avoid using
$HOME.

Now I get to hunt down a good .muttrc file :)

Heribert Dahms wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason(s),
> 
> did you try a symlink?
> You might even store a script to recreate that in your backuped area 8-)
> 
> Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason House [SMTP:jhouse@mitre.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 22:21
> > To:   Jason Tishler
> > Cc:   cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Subject:      Re: procmail output file format.
> >
>         [Heribert]  [snip]
> 
> > Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> > /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> > guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.
> >
>         [Heribert]  [snip]


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Re: procmail output file format.

[Thomas Baker]

I am finding exactly what Jason found -- when I add a "-f"
argument to /usr/bin/procmail (under Cygwin), everything fails
because it suddenly wants to access /home/Administrator.
This reminds me of another little quirk that has been
bothering me: about one time in ten, when I "reply" in Mutt
-- and I haven't been able to tell under which particular
circumstances -- the message comes up with my name expanded
to "Administrator\\MyMachine" (or something like that) and
I have to replace this manually with "Thomas Baker".

Anyway, several solutions were suggested:

1) A simple .procmailrc at /home/Administrator that says:
	INCLUDERC=[pathname];

2) Removing /home/Administrator and making it a "simulink"
   (a "symbolic link"?) to a home directory;

3) Change /home/Administrator to something else in /etc/passwd.

Jason had good experience with #2 (still, two weeks later?),
but messing with Cygwin's /home/Administrator makes me nervous
about unforeseen dire consequences.  What is the role of the
(presumably WIN2000) Administrator under Cygwin?  Maybe it's
just "symbolic"?  Has anyone tried solutions #1 and #3?

Tom


On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:40:24PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> Nice solution :) I like it.
> 
> Removing /home/Administrator and making it a simulink to my desired home
> works perfectly.  It is also a very easy thing to recreate in the event
> of a full restore...  I also allows me to remove my hacks to avoid using
> $HOME.
> 
> Now I get to hunt down a good .muttrc file :)
> 
> Heribert Dahms wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jason(s),
> > 
> > did you try a symlink?
> > You might even store a script to recreate that in your backuped area 8-)
> > 
> > Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason House [SMTP:jhouse@mitre.org]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 22:21
> > > To:   Jason Tishler
> > > Cc:   cygwin@cygwin.com
> > > Subject:      Re: procmail output file format.
> > >
> >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> > 
> > > Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> > > /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> > > guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.
> > >
> >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> 
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Re: procmail output file format.

[Jason House]

I did not know of #1, although I would have been fairly happy with that
solution.  (I currently do both #2 and #3 to be safe)

I originally began with setting the HOME variable (like PATH) in order
to make other unix ports (ie. emacs, ucd-snmp, etc...) work.

Just doing #2 worked fine for me.  My /home/Administrator was empty
anyway.  I didn't hit into any trouble, but I did #3 (also) in order to
"do it right".

I guess it would be nice if setting HOME had the desired effect on
procmail... but I don't think modifying the source is the right way to
do it.  Maybe cygwin should warn about inconsistencies between
/etc/passwd and HOME (which apparently overrides /etc/passwd).  I looked
in /etc/profile and it doesn't seem to make any distinction there
between where HOME comes from.  I don't know where else to look... 

Hopefully my comments are useful :)

Thomas Baker wrote:
> 
> I am finding exactly what Jason found -- when I add a "-f"
> argument to /usr/bin/procmail (under Cygwin), everything fails
> because it suddenly wants to access /home/Administrator.
> This reminds me of another little quirk that has been
> bothering me: about one time in ten, when I "reply" in Mutt
> -- and I haven't been able to tell under which particular
> circumstances -- the message comes up with my name expanded
> to "Administrator\\MyMachine" (or something like that) and
> I have to replace this manually with "Thomas Baker".
> 
> Anyway, several solutions were suggested:
> 
> 1) A simple .procmailrc at /home/Administrator that says:
>         INCLUDERC=[pathname];
> 
> 2) Removing /home/Administrator and making it a "simulink"
>    (a "symbolic link"?) to a home directory;
> 
> 3) Change /home/Administrator to something else in /etc/passwd.
> 
> Jason had good experience with #2 (still, two weeks later?),
> but messing with Cygwin's /home/Administrator makes me nervous
> about unforeseen dire consequences.  What is the role of the
> (presumably WIN2000) Administrator under Cygwin?  Maybe it's
> just "symbolic"?  Has anyone tried solutions #1 and #3?
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:40:24PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> > Nice solution :) I like it.
> >
> > Removing /home/Administrator and making it a simulink to my desired home
> > works perfectly.  It is also a very easy thing to recreate in the event
> > of a full restore...  I also allows me to remove my hacks to avoid using
> > $HOME.
> >
> > Now I get to hunt down a good .muttrc file :)
> >
> > Heribert Dahms wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jason(s),
> > >
> > > did you try a symlink?
> > > You might even store a script to recreate that in your backuped area 8-)
> > >
> > > Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jason House [SMTP:jhouse@mitre.org]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 22:21
> > > > To:   Jason Tishler
> > > > Cc:   cygwin@cygwin.com
> > > > Subject:      Re: procmail output file format.
> > > >
> > >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> > >
> > > > Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> > > > /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> > > > guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.
> > > >
> > >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> >
> >
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Re: procmail output file format.

[Thomas Baker]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:51:40PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> I did not know of #1, although I would have been fairly happy with that
> solution.  (I currently do both #2 and #3 to be safe)
> 
> I originally began with setting the HOME variable (like PATH) in order
> to make other unix ports (ie. emacs, ucd-snmp, etc...) work.
> 
> Just doing #2 worked fine for me.  My /home/Administrator was empty
> anyway.  I didn't hit into any trouble, but I did #3 (also) in order to
> "do it right".
> 
> I guess it would be nice if setting HOME had the desired effect on
> procmail... but I don't think modifying the source is the right way to
> do it.  Maybe cygwin should warn about inconsistencies between
> /etc/passwd and HOME (which apparently overrides /etc/passwd).  I looked
> in /etc/profile and it doesn't seem to make any distinction there
> between where HOME comes from.  I don't know where else to look... 
> 
> Hopefully my comments are useful :)

Yes this is very useful.  I wish I knew what the point of this Administrator
account is.  On my Cygwin installation, there are only three files under the
entire /home directory: 

	Administrator/dead.letter
	Administrator/mail/saved-messages
	Administrator/mail/sent-mail

The "dead.letter" file accumulates just the _bodies_ of
(presumably) email messages interrupted during composing. 
The latter two files are initialized with "DON'T DELETE
THESE HEADERS -- FOLDER-INTERNAL DATA".  It all seems very
harmless -- nothing "root-like" about it.


> 
> Thomas Baker wrote:
> > 
> > I am finding exactly what Jason found -- when I add a "-f"
> > argument to /usr/bin/procmail (under Cygwin), everything fails
> > because it suddenly wants to access /home/Administrator.
> > This reminds me of another little quirk that has been
> > bothering me: about one time in ten, when I "reply" in Mutt
> > -- and I haven't been able to tell under which particular
> > circumstances -- the message comes up with my name expanded
> > to "Administrator\\MyMachine" (or something like that) and
> > I have to replace this manually with "Thomas Baker".
> > 
> > Anyway, several solutions were suggested:
> > 
> > 1) A simple .procmailrc at /home/Administrator that says:
> >         INCLUDERC=[pathname];
> > 
> > 2) Removing /home/Administrator and making it a "simulink"
> >    (a "symbolic link"?) to a home directory;
> > 
> > 3) Change /home/Administrator to something else in /etc/passwd.
> > 
> > Jason had good experience with #2 (still, two weeks later?),
> > but messing with Cygwin's /home/Administrator makes me nervous
> > about unforeseen dire consequences.  What is the role of the
> > (presumably WIN2000) Administrator under Cygwin?  Maybe it's
> > just "symbolic"?  Has anyone tried solutions #1 and #3?
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:40:24PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> > > Nice solution :) I like it.
> > >
> > > Removing /home/Administrator and making it a simulink to my desired home
> > > works perfectly.  It is also a very easy thing to recreate in the event
> > > of a full restore...  I also allows me to remove my hacks to avoid using
> > > $HOME.
> > >
> > > Now I get to hunt down a good .muttrc file :)
> > >
> > > Heribert Dahms wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jason(s),
> > > >
> > > > did you try a symlink?
> > > > You might even store a script to recreate that in your backuped area 8-)
> > > >
> > > > Bye, Heribert (heribert_dahms@icon-scm.com)
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jason House [SMTP:jhouse@mitre.org]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 22:21
> > > > > To:   Jason Tishler
> > > > > Cc:   cygwin@cygwin.com
> > > > > Subject:      Re: procmail output file format.
> > > > >
> > > >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> > > >
> > > > > Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> > > > > /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> > > > > guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.
> > > > >
> > > >         [Heribert]  [snip]
> > >
> > >
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procmail output file format.

[Jason House]

I've narrowed down my problem, but still need some help.
Fetchmail downloads my e-mail and passes it to procmail which in turns
writes the mail to my mailbox (~/Mail/inbox).

It appears that procmail is not writing an e-mail separator line before
each e-mail written to my inbox.  Manually adding a line like the
following before each e-mail makes everything work.
From foo@bar.com.net Wed May 29 15:59:21 2002 -0700

What is wrong with my configuration?


####################################################
I have customized the environment a bit (but procmail ignores it)...
HOME=/cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome

####################################################
My /cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.fetchmailrc file

set logfile /var/log/fetchmail.log
set invisible
set no bouncemail

poll "mail.mitre.org"
protocol pop3
username "jhouse"
password "**********"
fetchall
nokeep
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -m .procmailrc -d Administrator"

####################################################
My /cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc file

CORRECTHOME=/cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome
MAILDIR=$CORRECTHOME/Mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox
PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail
LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log
VERBOSE=on

:0
$DEFAULT

######################################################
My /cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/Mail/inbox file

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Re: procmail output file format.

[Jason Tishler]

Jason,

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 03:42:56PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> It appears that procmail is not writing an e-mail separator line before
> each e-mail written to my inbox.
> [snip]
> What is wrong with my configuration?
> 
> ####################################################
> My /cygdrive/c/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.fetchmailrc file
> [snip]
> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -m .procmailrc -d Administrator"
                         ^^
                         **

Did you try the suggestions in the following?

    http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-05/msg01835.html

Jason

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Re: procmail output file format.

[Jason House]

Adding "-f-" or even "-f foobar" to the command line does not make it
work.  For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to work with -m.  I have
reluctantly moved my .procmailrc file to /home/Administrator and removed
the -m from the command line.  This makes does yield the desired
functionality, but not the right file structure.  The problem boils down
to how procmail rebuilds the environment before executing.  I've set
HOME to be one thing, but procmail makes it default to another.  The -m
was my work around and allowed me to keep all my important files in my
home directory.  Home is part of "My Documents" and thus requires no
special consideration for backup (especially when I must, unfortunately,
rely on corporate computer service for repairs/upgrades).  I'm happy
enough with this fix, but would much prefer a better solution. 
Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.


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Re: procmail output file format.

[David T-G]

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Jason --

...and then Jason House said...
% 
% Adding "-f-" or even "-f foobar" to the command line does not make it

How interesting.


% work.  For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to work with -m.  I have
...
% Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
% /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
% guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.

It's interesting to me that it's coming up as /home/Administrator rather
than /home/jhouse, but that might not be the source of the problem.  It
does mean that you can't point /home to Docume~1, though.

What about a simple procmailrc in /home/Administrator that says

  INCLUDERC=/Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc

to just let procmail include the file rather than trying to be a filter
for all (or do other folks need procmail on your box, too?).


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Re: procmail output file format.

[Jason Tishler]

Jason,

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:21:02PM -0400, Jason House wrote:
> For whatever reason, it doesn't seem to work with -m.  I have
> reluctantly moved my .procmailrc file to /home/Administrator and removed
> the -m from the command line.  This makes does yield the desired
> functionality, but not the right file structure.  The problem boils down
> to how procmail rebuilds the environment before executing.  I've set
> HOME to be one thing, but procmail makes it default to another.  The -m
> was my work around and allowed me to keep all my important files in my
> home directory.  Home is part of "My Documents" and thus requires no
> special consideration for backup (especially when I must, unfortunately,
> rely on corporate computer service for repairs/upgrades).  I'm happy
> enough with this fix, but would much prefer a better solution. 
> Something like having /home/Administrator/.procmailrc simply say "use
> /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome/.procmailrc" would be better since it
> guarantees that it won't get deleted after it grows in complexity.

One last thought...  Why don't you change your /etc/passwd file so that
the home directory for Administrator is:

    /Docume~1/jhouse/MyDocu~1/UnixHome

instead of the more conventional:

    /home/Administrator

In this way, you don't need to supply the "-m" option or to set HOME
and you get the desired (albeit strange) directory structure.

Jason

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