inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Tom Dorgan]

ok, I give up. 

I have set up cygwin on at least 20 machines over the last 4 years and I
have never gotten any of these to work right the first try. And, it seems
like every time I get telnet or ssh working, I did something different.
there seems to be no recipe for  making them work. I, like many others, have
spent countless fruitless hours searching the web, the cygwin mailing list,
etc.

right now, I have an xp box that can run ssh, but not telnet, a 2k box that
ran telnet until I started trying to get ssh working, another 2k box that
can only run ssh. none of them can run ftp.

I'm not asking for help. I dont thing there is any. I'm just very tired and
frustrated.

sorry, Im just not smart enough to use this stuff.

tom dorgan.



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Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Glenn Murray]

Tom,

I feel your pain.  I've made an attempt to untangle this for beginners
at

http://www.mines.edu/~gmurray/

at the "SSH2 for Beginners" link.  I mention it in the hope that it
may be of some help.

Good luck,
Glenn

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tom Dorgan wrote:
> ok, I give up.
>
> I have set up cygwin on at least 20 machines over the last 4 years and I
> have never gotten any of these to work right the first try. And, it seems
> like every time I get telnet or ssh working, I did something different.
> there seems to be no recipe for  making them work. I, like many others, have
> spent countless fruitless hours searching the web, the cygwin mailing list,
> etc.
>
> right now, I have an xp box that can run ssh, but not telnet, a 2k box that
> ran telnet until I started trying to get ssh working, another 2k box that
> can only run ssh. none of them can run ftp.
>
> I'm not asking for help. I dont thing there is any. I'm just very tired and
> frustrated.
>
> sorry, Im just not smart enough to use this stuff.
>
> tom dorgan.


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Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:00:02PM -0700, Glenn Murray wrote:
>I feel your pain.  I've made an attempt to untangle this for beginners
>at

It looks like your attempt bypasses the scripts that already exist to
set ssh up automatically.

See: /usr/doc/Cygwin/openssh-3.4p1-5.README

>at the "SSH2 for Beginners" link.  I mention it in the hope that it
>may be of some help.

I don't know what it is going to take to dynamite people out of their
preconceptions.  This is not a closed source project.  This is not
Microsoft.  If you see a need, like improving documentation, you have
the power to actually change the documentation.  You don't have to
create a separate link somewhere and point people at it.  You can
contribute your efforts to the project so that everyone benefits
automatically.

cgf

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RE: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Paul D. DeRocco]

> cgf wrote:
>
> I don't know what it is going to take to dynamite people out of their
> preconceptions.  This is not a closed source project.  This is not
> Microsoft.  If you see a need, like improving documentation, you have
> the power to actually change the documentation.  You don't have to
> create a separate link somewhere and point people at it.  You can
> contribute your efforts to the project so that everyone benefits
> automatically.

I suspect it's because that entails yet another learning curve, and people
find it easier just to throw together a web page and put it on their own
personal site.

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RE: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Glenn Murray]

Absolutely!

Cheers,
Glenn

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:
> > cgf wrote:
> >
> > I don't know what it is going to take to dynamite people out of their
> > preconceptions.  This is not a closed source project.  This is not
> > Microsoft.  If you see a need, like improving documentation, you have
> > the power to actually change the documentation.  You don't have to
> > create a separate link somewhere and point people at it.  You can
> > contribute your efforts to the project so that everyone benefits
> > automatically.
>
> I suspect it's because that entails yet another learning curve, and people
> find it easier just to throw together a web page and put it on their own
> personal site.
>
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Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[lhall]

Yep.  I agree it's important to keep focused on the goal here.  
If the information at external sites pointed to by this list is
wrong, incomplete, or out-of-date, this helps no one and the 
Cygwin community doesn't have any direct action it can take to 
correct the data point.  Keeping the information within the project,
this information can be corrected directly as required by the 
Cygwin community.  That helps everyone.  What's not to like? ;-)

Larry

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Christopher Faylor cgf@redhat.com
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:30:21 -0500
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these


On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:20:39PM -0500, lhall@pop.ma.ultranet.com wrote:
>Perhaps this makes sense as a step in the process but it can't be the
>end-game if folks really want to make the process easier for everyone.
>I'm not against any steps necessary if it improves any part of Cygwin
>but unless the improvement actually folds into the final product
>(Cygwin itself) as Chris points out, various disjointed and
>disconnected solutions will likely lead to more confusion and problems
>in the future.  It's worth thinking about for anyone that's taken the
>first step.  This stuff can all be helpful.  Let's try to get it all in
>one place! :-)

In this case the information provided could possibly be considered more
confusing than what is already available, too.  So, submitting
documentation for review and incorporation would theoretically weed out
the confusing or incorrect parts.

cgf

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Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:30:21PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:20:39PM -0500, lhall@pop.ma.ultranet.com wrote:
>>Perhaps this makes sense as a step in the process but it can't be the
>>end-game if folks really want to make the process easier for everyone.
>>I'm not against any steps necessary if it improves any part of Cygwin
>>but unless the improvement actually folds into the final product
>>(Cygwin itself) as Chris points out, various disjointed and
>>disconnected solutions will likely lead to more confusion and problems
>>in the future.  It's worth thinking about for anyone that's taken the
>>first step.  This stuff can all be helpful.  Let's try to get it all in
>>one place! :-)
>
>In this case the information provided could possibly be considered more
>confusing than what is already available, too.  So, submitting
>documentation for review and incorporation would theoretically weed out
>the confusing or incorrect parts.

Just to be clear, I'm referring to the information provided on the
external web site that is intended to help people with ssh problems.

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Re: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:20:39PM -0500, lhall@pop.ma.ultranet.com wrote:
>Perhaps this makes sense as a step in the process but it can't be the
>end-game if folks really want to make the process easier for everyone.
>I'm not against any steps necessary if it improves any part of Cygwin
>but unless the improvement actually folds into the final product
>(Cygwin itself) as Chris points out, various disjointed and
>disconnected solutions will likely lead to more confusion and problems
>in the future.  It's worth thinking about for anyone that's taken the
>first step.  This stuff can all be helpful.  Let's try to get it all in
>one place! :-)

In this case the information provided could possibly be considered more
confusing than what is already available, too.  So, submitting
documentation for review and incorporation would theoretically weed out
the confusing or incorrect parts.

cgf

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RE: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[lhall]

Perhaps this makes sense as a step in the process but it 
can't be the end-game if folks really want to make the 
process easier for everyone.  I'm not against any steps 
necessary if it improves any part of Cygwin but unless the 
improvement actually folds into the final product (Cygwin 
itself) as Chris points out, various disjointed and 
disconnected solutions will likely lead to more confusion 
and problems in the future.  It's worth thinking about for 
anyone that's taken the first step.   This stuff can all
be helpful.  Let's try to get it all in one place! :-)

Larry

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Paul D. DeRocco pderocco@ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:02:09 -0800
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these


> cgf wrote:
>
> I don't know what it is going to take to dynamite people out of their
> preconceptions.  This is not a closed source project.  This is not
> Microsoft.  If you see a need, like improving documentation, you have
> the power to actually change the documentation.  You don't have to
> create a separate link somewhere and point people at it.  You can
> contribute your efforts to the project so that everyone benefits
> automatically.

I suspect it's because that entails yet another learning curve, and people
find it easier just to throw together a web page and put it on their own
personal site.

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RE: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these

[Lane, Frank L]

Tom,

There are some really heavy hitters here, ie Randall, Harold, Chris and
other's who've actually written cygwin, I bet they could help if you decide
not to give up.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Dorgan [mailto:tdorgan@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:27 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: inetd:ssh/telnet/ftp - Im too stupid to use these


ok, I give up. 

I have set up cygwin on at least 20 machines over the last 4 years and I
have never gotten any of these to work right the first try. And, it seems
like every time I get telnet or ssh working, I did something different.
there seems to be no recipe for  making them work. I, like many others, have
spent countless fruitless hours searching the web, the cygwin mailing list,
etc.

right now, I have an xp box that can run ssh, but not telnet, a 2k box that
ran telnet until I started trying to get ssh working, another 2k box that
can only run ssh. none of them can run ftp.

I'm not asking for help. I dont thing there is any. I'm just very tired and
frustrated.

sorry, Im just not smart enough to use this stuff.

tom dorgan.



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