Re: A user friendly suggestion

Re: A user friendly suggestion

[Joshua Daniel Franklin]

"elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk" <elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk> wrote:
> I think it would be a good idea to add either a mailto link or a simple cgi
> form/link on the ml message.

According to the bottom of 

http://sources.redhat.com/lists.html

"For web archives, We are using MHonarc."

So improvement needs to start there. Homepage:

http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html


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Re: A user friendly suggestion

[elfyn-cygwin]

Hi,

Just want to appolagise in case I sounded rude in this thread that was
truely not my intent.

I think it would be a good idea to add either a mailto link or a simple cgi
form/link on the ml message.

On the latter suggested addition to the faq I think it should go without
saying, I mean everyone has to start somewhere. What may become annoying to
some is that the same questions get asked or variations of questions that
have the same answer as a lot of the time the answers may be in the mialing
list so searching the archives is a good source of knowledge on cygwin and
cygwin-apps.

When I joined the list I'm sure I may have annoyed a few guru's here by not
checking things first ;)

Elfyn
elfyn@exposure.org.uk

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rui Carmo rui.carmo@accao.net
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:24:10 +0000
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: A user friendly suggestion


Well, I've done it both ways. I've followed the list over the last year 
via the Web, and only recently I've subscribed in order to keep closer 
track of the 1.3.16-17 issues.

Digests are fine for some people (and slower mailing-lists), but others 
(like me) hate scrolling up and down inside a message to find similar 
subjects/threads, and then having to follow parts of the plot in other 
digests, so on and so forth. It's a royal pain, and does not save any 
real amount of time or traffic - rather the opposite, at least for me. 
:)

So I re-subscribed to the mailing-list and, after two weeks (and even 
though it's been easy to tame procmail to do my bidding), I'm already 
considering unsubscribing due to the sheer volume of mail (and I don't 
actually store it on my box, but on an IMAP server, so I read it from 
_five_ different boxes now...). Cygwin + darwinports + chimera + a 
bundle of networking and security lists equals around 200 messages a 
day... :/

The web archive is much easier to handle, so any little enhancements 
(like adding the subject to the mailto: link, which seems a trivial 
endeavour that no-one will pick up on for sheer lack of time) would be 
welcome.

Since this "why don't you subscribe" thing seems to happen every single 
time anyone mentions they are not subscribed, I'd like to suggest the 
following addition to the Cygwin FAQ or netiquette section for the 
mailing-lists: :)

"Please remember that people who read the mailing-list via the Web 
should not be treated like second-class citizens. Given the Web's form 
of interaction, they have to make an effort to follow the list 
actively, not just lurking passively until mail arrives."

And now, back to Cygwin. :)

Rui Carmo

On Saturday, Dec 7, 2002, at 22:07 Europe/Lisbon, 
elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get 
> the
> messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get 
> all
> of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily 
> digest
> of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message.
>
> See http://cygwin.com/ml/
>
> On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called?
>
> Elfyn
> elfyn@exposure.org.uk
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Joseph I. Davida jd108@pacbell.net
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: A user friendly suggestion
>
>
> Hi folks,
> 	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
> mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
> when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
> URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
> It would obviate cutting and pasting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
>      about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?
>
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RE: A user friendly suggestion

[elfyn-cygwin]

Hi,

Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get the
messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get all
of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily digest
of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message.

See http://cygwin.com/ml/

On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called?

Elfyn
elfyn@exposure.org.uk

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joseph I. Davida jd108@pacbell.net
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: A user friendly suggestion


Hi folks,
	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
It would obviate cutting and pasting.

Thanks,

Joe

P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
     about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?

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RE: A user friendly suggestion

[Joseph Davida]

The original posting was titled "Latest setup.exe"

Cheers,

Joe

--- "elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk"
<elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to
> the list so I get the
> messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you
> don't want to get all
> of the messages from the list you can use the
> cygwin-digest, a daily digest
> of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all
> and every message.
> 
> See http://cygwin.com/ml/
> 
> On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it
> called?
> 
> Elfyn
> elfyn@exposure.org.uk
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Joseph I. Davida jd108@pacbell.net
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: A user friendly suggestion
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
> mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
> when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
> URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
> It would obviate cutting and pasting.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> 
> P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have
> posted
>      about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?
> 
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Re: A user friendly suggestion

[Rui Carmo]

Well, I've done it both ways. I've followed the list over the last year 
via the Web, and only recently I've subscribed in order to keep closer 
track of the 1.3.16-17 issues.

Digests are fine for some people (and slower mailing-lists), but others 
(like me) hate scrolling up and down inside a message to find similar 
subjects/threads, and then having to follow parts of the plot in other 
digests, so on and so forth. It's a royal pain, and does not save any 
real amount of time or traffic - rather the opposite, at least for me. 
:)

So I re-subscribed to the mailing-list and, after two weeks (and even 
though it's been easy to tame procmail to do my bidding), I'm already 
considering unsubscribing due to the sheer volume of mail (and I don't 
actually store it on my box, but on an IMAP server, so I read it from 
_five_ different boxes now...). Cygwin + darwinports + chimera + a 
bundle of networking and security lists equals around 200 messages a 
day... :/

The web archive is much easier to handle, so any little enhancements 
(like adding the subject to the mailto: link, which seems a trivial 
endeavour that no-one will pick up on for sheer lack of time) would be 
welcome.

Since this "why don't you subscribe" thing seems to happen every single 
time anyone mentions they are not subscribed, I'd like to suggest the 
following addition to the Cygwin FAQ or netiquette section for the 
mailing-lists: :)

"Please remember that people who read the mailing-list via the Web 
should not be treated like second-class citizens. Given the Web's form 
of interaction, they have to make an effort to follow the list 
actively, not just lurking passively until mail arrives."

And now, back to Cygwin. :)

Rui Carmo

On Saturday, Dec 7, 2002, at 22:07 Europe/Lisbon, 
elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get 
> the
> messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get 
> all
> of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily 
> digest
> of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message.
>
> See http://cygwin.com/ml/
>
> On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called?
>
> Elfyn
> elfyn@exposure.org.uk
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Joseph I. Davida jd108@pacbell.net
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: A user friendly suggestion
>
>
> Hi folks,
> 	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
> mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
> when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
> URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
> It would obviate cutting and pasting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
>      about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?
>
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Re: A user friendly suggestion

[Igor Pechtchanski]

The web archive mechanism provides a very useful "Raw text" feature.
FWIW, here's my procedure for reading/replying:

1) subscribe to cygwin-allow@cygwin.com (necessary to be considered
   subscribed to the list, you will not receive any actual messages)

For each message you want to reply to:

2) read the message
3) follow the "Raw text" link, select all and copy
4) open a bash shell, run

   $ cat | sed -e '1,/^$/s/ at /@/g' -e '1,/^$/s/ dot /./g' > message

   and paste the message followed by a Ctrl-D.  Make sure the message is
   smaller than 64k, otherwise an xterm/rxvt will hang - beware of
   attachments.  You can paste it into a text editor and copy/paste
   smaller chunks if necessary, or use a snapshot I posted to the list a
   while ago - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-11/msg01593.html )

5) use your favorite mailing software, open or import the file 'message'
   (in mbox format), and reply.  I use pine with no problems.

The only gotcha is that the above shell line replaces every " at " by an
"@", and " dot " by a ".", which could be annoying if there's an "at" or a
"dot" in the subject (the former being more likely).  It is possible to
modify the above to accomodate that, but it's easier to just scan the
Subject: line and replace the "@" by an " at " if necessary.
	Igor

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Rui Carmo wrote:

> Well, I've done it both ways. I've followed the list over the last year
> via the Web, and only recently I've subscribed in order to keep closer
> track of the 1.3.16-17 issues.
>
> Digests are fine for some people (and slower mailing-lists), but others
> (like me) hate scrolling up and down inside a message to find similar
> subjects/threads, and then having to follow parts of the plot in other
> digests, so on and so forth. It's a royal pain, and does not save any
> real amount of time or traffic - rather the opposite, at least for me.
> :)
>
> So I re-subscribed to the mailing-list and, after two weeks (and even
> though it's been easy to tame procmail to do my bidding), I'm already
> considering unsubscribing due to the sheer volume of mail (and I don't
> actually store it on my box, but on an IMAP server, so I read it from
> _five_ different boxes now...). Cygwin + darwinports + chimera + a
> bundle of networking and security lists equals around 200 messages a
> day... :/
>
> The web archive is much easier to handle, so any little enhancements
> (like adding the subject to the mailto: link, which seems a trivial
> endeavour that no-one will pick up on for sheer lack of time) would be
> welcome.
>
> Since this "why don't you subscribe" thing seems to happen every single
> time anyone mentions they are not subscribed, I'd like to suggest the
> following addition to the Cygwin FAQ or netiquette section for the
> mailing-lists: :)
>
> "Please remember that people who read the mailing-list via the Web
> should not be treated like second-class citizens. Given the Web's form
> of interaction, they have to make an effort to follow the list
> actively, not just lurking passively until mail arrives."
>
> And now, back to Cygwin. :)
>
> Rui Carmo
>
> On Saturday, Dec 7, 2002, at 22:07 Europe/Lisbon,
> elfyn-cygwin@mail.exposure.org.uk wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get
> > the
> > messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get
> > all
> > of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily
> > digest
> > of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message.
> >
> > See http://cygwin.com/ml/
> >
> > On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called?
> >
> > Elfyn
> > elfyn@exposure.org.uk
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Joseph I. Davida jd108@pacbell.net
> > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
> > To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Subject: A user friendly suggestion
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >       It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
> > mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
> > when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
> > URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
> > It would obviate cutting and pasting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
> >      about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?

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A user friendly suggestion

[Joseph I. Davida]

Hi folks,
	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
It would obviate cutting and pasting.

Thanks,

Joe

P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
     about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?

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