From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1770 invoked by alias); 1 Feb 2011 21:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 1758 invoked by uid 22791); 1 Feb 2011 21:46:44 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,TW_BJ,TW_IB,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (HELO nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.90.67) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:46:40 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2011 21:46:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.35] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2011 21:46:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2011 21:46:38 -0000 Received: from cgf.cx (cgf@72.70.43.36 with login) by smtp103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Feb 2011 13:46:38 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: jenXL62swBAWhMTL3wnej93oaS0ClBQOAKs8jbEbx_o- Received: from ednor.cgf.cx (ednor.casa.cgf.cx [192.168.187.5]) by cgf.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7B113C0C9 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by ednor.cgf.cx (Postfix, from userid 201) id 6F24037F157; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:46:00 -0000 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Where to find a reliable provider of CygwinX? Message-ID: <20110201214637.GA6594@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <4D48169F.3030607@steensgaard.org> <4D48376C.8070204@cygwin.com> <20110201182757.GA3139@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-02/txt/msg00021.txt.bz2 On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 10:10:40PM +0100, J?rgen Steensgaard wrote: >A previous reply informed me that libjpeg62 may be included as an >obsolete package. I have not checked that out, so the discussion >including the following should be understood in that context. I have >not checked whether it actually is available that way. So, to translate: Bug report: xemacs is relying on an obsolete dll. Action Required: Check with the xemacs package maintainer. Also, try to track down why setup.exe didn't install the library automatically. >I deliberately omitted the identity of the actual provider, since this >mailinglist is so widely read. Send me a private email-address and I >shall provide you with the information. If there is a public mirror which needs to investigated then please send it here. No one's feelings will be hurt or reputation tarnished. Again, please send the problematic mirrors here. Translation: Potential cockpit error or seriously screwed up mirror. Action Required: Determine exactly which mirrors were involved. I will investigate once those are known. >The missing presence of X and xinit I experienced by use of 'which' and >making certain that these were commands in a 1.5-version that is running >on another computer. In fact I looked in vain for a folder with >binaries for X. I then switched provider, used an unmodified selection >of packages and checked that the two commands were present in a relevant >folder. I have not yet the X-server running. I can't say for sure if you know this or not but Cygwin/X is not installed by default. You have to specifically select it. This is why I'm asking for specific details about what you did to select X applications. Translation: Potential cockpit error or seriously screwed up mirror. Action Required: Determine exactly which mirrors were involved. I will investigate once those are known. >I used the search facility of setup.exe with libjpeg to find packages, >none of them showed libjpeg6.2 and subsequently checked with the >complete name. This was the behaviour observed with two different >providers. I was not aware of means to disclose obsolete packages. Translation: Bug report: You can't search for packages marked obsolete via setup.exe. Action Required: I'll ask some of the setup developers if that is by design. >Another experience that emerge from this discussion is that it seems >very hard to be believed. It is also very hard to document the details >of what goes on during installation. Please take than into account when >you take this as a support experience, which certainly is in line with >my intentions. Third person usage aside, you're right. We do not automatically believe the *interpretation* of someone reporting problems since their interpretation is likely to be inaccurate. You don't have all of the facts at your disposal. I do have more than you so I don't automatically believe you when you claim that a mirror is missing packages. For instance, you seem to be under the impression that X is installed by default. You also seem to think that the fact that you can't find libjpeg62 via search in setup.exe means that a mirror is out-of-date when it doesn't mean that. It is likely another problem entirely. This is why I'm asking for details - to help congeal what is actually going wrong from your interpretation of what is going on. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple