From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5925 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2011 20:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5617 invoked by uid 22791); 17 Sep 2011 20:41:04 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (HELO mail-ww0-f45.google.com) (74.125.82.45) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:40:47 +0000 Received: by wwi36 with SMTP id 36so7620776wwi.2 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.164.74 with SMTP id b52mr892078wel.94.1316292045806; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (210.Red-79-157-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [79.157.59.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd6sm18467538wbb.1.2011.09.17.13.40.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:50:00 -0000 From: David Sastre To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today Message-ID: <20110917204041.GC28100@jethro.local.lan> References: <7856072A9D04C24B82DFE2B1112FE38A0C27492B56@MCHP058A.global-ad.net> <201109081246.23238.bruno@clisp.org> <4E68AF35.9030002@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <201109082344.55506.bruno@clisp.org> <4E69D9EA.2050004@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <20110909145921.GA27289@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E6F7AA1.4090808@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BI5RvnYi6R4T2M87" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E6F7AA1.4090808@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-09/txt/msg00247.txt.bz2 --BI5RvnYi6R4T2M87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 2544 On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote: > On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote: > >>The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design d= ecision. > > > >Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin-apps mailing > >list. > > > >And above all, there *is* an official way for the user to align the > >Cygwin locale with the Windows locale, see the -s and -u options > >of the locale(1) command: > > > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using-utils.html#locale >=20 > On 09/09/2011 09:09 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >> OK, then the following four facilities are needed in Cygwin. > >> > >> 1) We need the name of the locale which is in effect when the user has > >> not specified environment variables. > > > > In Fedora, for instance, the fallback is what is set as system default > > in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. > > > > In Cygwin the fallback is the system default set in > /etc/profile.d/lang.sh > > or /etc/profile.d/lang.csh. > > > > Why should libintl use anything else on Cygwin, but not on Linux? > > >=20 > Given this, I think the bug is in cygwin for having base files > /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} which hardcode LANG to C.UTF-8 instead > of using locale -s -u to default LANG to the preferred Windows > settings. Libintl should NOT be second-guessing an explicit setting > of LANG, but cygwin should NOT be explicitly setting LANG to C.UTF-8 > in its default startup scripts without any regards to the Windows > settings. Whether setlocale(LC_ALL,"") returns C.UTF-8 or a > Windows-appropriate string _when LANG is undefined_ is still worth > solving, but right now, an out-of-the-box cygwin installation > _always has LANG defined_ by the default startup scripts. So our > first focus should be to get that setting of LANG fixed to honor > Windows, and to teach libintl that when LANG is set we really meant > it. WRT the base-files package, would it be acceptable/does it make sense to se= t: test -z "${LC_ALL:-${LC_CTYPE:-$LANG}}" && export LANG=3D${locale -sU} in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh and if ( $?LC_ALL =3D=3D 0 && $?LC_CTYPE =3D=3D 0 && $?LANG =3D=3D 0 ) setenv L= ANG =3D `locale -sU` in /etc/profile.d/lang.csh, both as proposed, _and_ a (possibly) commented-= out test -z "${LC_ALL:-${LC_CTYPE:-$LANG}}" && export LANG=3D${locale -uU} in the skeletal .bash_profile and .profile (i.e. both system-wide and user defined settings)? --=20 Huella de clave primaria: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 --BI5RvnYi6R4T2M87 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline Content-length: 230 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAk51BckACgkQ95urBFKZ7FZxsQD/S1aGJLzHC9Kdf4Xzoo4YPadj ZtExHfjyjKdzHx+QZ3wA/27kQ+jhiMIqSMfGh+kjDSQAucIHUTndt8rlqU8wFx3V =hlsX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BI5RvnYi6R4T2M87--