From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28915 invoked by alias); 5 Oct 2011 18:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28901 invoked by uid 22791); 5 Oct 2011 18:58:56 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (HELO nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.216) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with SMTP; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:58:40 +0000 Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2011 18:58:39 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2011 18:58:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2011 18:58:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8692 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2011 18:58:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: jenXL62swBAWhMTL3wnej93oaS0ClBQOAKs8jbEbx_o- Received: from cgf.cx (cgf@173.76.45.30 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Oct 2011 11:58:39 -0700 PDT Received: from localhost (ednor.casa.cgf.cx [192.168.187.5]) by cgf.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EFD13C0D3 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:58:00 -0000 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today Message-ID: <20111005185838.GA11426@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <20111004122837.GA27229@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E8B0007.5020500@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <20111004142920.GA15757@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E8B4A86.5000607@xs4all.nl> <20111004182042.GA22299@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E8C7FFB.6060707@xs4all.nl> <20111005162714.GA14661@calimero.vinschen.de> <4E8C948D.4070707@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <4E8CA0AF.50805@cornell.edu> <1317840641.1708.27.camel@YAAKOV04> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1317840641.1708.27.camel@YAAKOV04> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-10/txt/msg00098.txt.bz2 On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 01:50:33PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: >On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 14:23 -0400, Ken Brown wrote: >> I think you're mixing two questions that should be kept separate. The >> first is how /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should set LANG. That's a >> question that the Cygwin developers and/or base-files maintainer need to >> decide. > >Agreed. There are pros and cons both ways, and I'll leave that for >another message. > >> The second is whether libintl should override Cygwin's locale >> settings. Isn't the answer clearly no? Why can't this be fixed (in >> opposition to Bruno, if necessary) before a final decision is made about >> /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh}? > >Agreed. Cygwin is a *NIX platform, and libintl needs to respect that by >not trying to set or override LANG/LC_MESSAGES. Upstream's disagreement >with this point is completely irrelevant; it is simply not their place >to dictate to us how our platform should operate. While it would seem >that it means carrying a patch for the foreseeable future (not that >gettext releases that often), if upstream refuses to cooperate then I >don't see that we have much of a choice. > >You are also correct that this can and should be fixed ASAP, even before >the first point is decided. +1 for patching this now. Ditto on all of the above points. This is a free software project so, of course, every decision is up for debate but the ultimate decision on how our project does stuff rests with us, the maintainers of the stuff that the end-users see. So, while Bruno's opinion is valuable, it should not be definitive. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple