From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 109267 invoked by alias); 12 Apr 2016 13:41:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 109255 invoked by uid 89); 12 Apr 2016 13:41:45 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-96.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GOOD_FROM_CORINNA_CYGWIN,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_PBL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=Forums, H*MI:sk:570CF11, H*f:sk:570CF11, H*i:sk:570CF11 X-HELO: calimero.vinschen.de Received: from ipbcc0d020.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (HELO calimero.vinschen.de) (188.192.208.32) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:41:34 +0000 Received: by calimero.vinschen.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id E37DAA80BF7; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:41:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:41:00 -0000 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: native Linux userland in Windows 10 Message-ID: <20160412134132.GP9870@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <70rpgbh81o3fkrdgh8ldh2hmon25ihnr1s@4ax.com> <570CF112.6060405@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="juZjCTNxrMaZdGZC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <570CF112.6060405@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-SW-Source: 2016-04/txt/msg00249.txt.bz2 --juZjCTNxrMaZdGZC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1962 On Apr 12 14:58, Marco Atzeri wrote: > On 12/04/2016 14:50, Andrew Schulman wrote: > >By now I guess most of us have seen the reports of bash, and in fact a f= ull > >Linux userland, running natively in Windows 10: > > > >http://www.osnews.com/story/29149/Microsoft_and_Canonical_partner_to_bri= ng_Ubuntu_to_Windows_10 > >http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntu= LinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx > >http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html > > > >It's in beta release and doesn't seem to have been widely tested yet. Ap= parently > >Microsoft has developed an API translation layer, simliar to the Cygwin = DLL, to > >make this work. But unlike with Cygwin, Linux apps don't have to be reb= uilt - > >they can run natively as-is in Windows 10. So you can get, allegedly, th= e full > >Linux userland out-of-the-box. > > > >The first link cited above suggests that if this is all it claims to be,= it > >would remove the need for Cygwin. I can see the point. > > > >Has anyone had a chance to try this new feature? Does it work as well a= s is > >claimed? > > > >I realize this may be strictly off-topic here, but it seems to me to be > >potentially so important to the future of Cygwin that it's worth discuss= ing here > >insted of on cygwin-talk. > > > >Andrew >=20 >=20 > Before W10 became the standard it will take some time. >=20 > Considering the previous history of Microsoft with > Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) , my feeling is >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes >=20 > If they really would like to port Unix on MS, it will be enough to > provide Corinna with a simple way to implement fork.... Huh, right. If only... https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/afdf1b68-1f3e-47f5-94cf-51e3= 97afe073/ Corinna --=20 Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat --juZjCTNxrMaZdGZC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-length: 819 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXDPsMAAoJEPU2Bp2uRE+gQvgP/0TkqdaK86RFtRWY/xQQCRRN In2EYiNdca17//Y+EEABXsy0MZ0AWXZrtCVzQKLXXNwpX3P4qqyyeJ+c5ze8rF7K yDFohdZT2A/QDqUWXwFiRwMLGhMaIF5mN+VOVkNu81nJEwVos3yplj8mmUI09vKx nmvQ45e4Rc+P07+se2UyFMta4uxSQOt3UcdEjJRiEMBOlxFr3B6B2/E/sEDLkFYj /ocZoJtXuGzqxefKukHngf8YlMJkBlW2ICyUNPRByQBUjPoFQTEBTJKwiCt62RRk 9kde2omDNZ7UudszjIABNklqG3+qSXbwKgNUbfr8xzjw7flWKBVEGghUhfr1C6Q6 72QZhtrdSWbHpAf5tpzyvfGB6parpTf6Jb9F0FvMYXUzkvBhQ4GIsSKjaszCYhrM iHS18CSalPElqPwO2tEprQ3OvZ4Uue3ARCoSB2meyFWtTy7N/qgKDWTTYSyOqlj9 2sM1mu0tHF6rZK/qXZS2+ly14YLyWdTWEwDyiz50X+/zLN10MmwWrpeiDV6VS6T/ eUNiwDiWzrHY/U62CzrScE3wyYXZpfSRV0PXIp92V7GdICmrVYrxgtXViZgNlC9T nYKNGrkTxu0QYCHPkJSMdwvGSAJlZN6l5DESGiQe/2bz7Dfdz+dDu1ynYjfygmdB epKgTgeTTShh3peV3tEZ =oGV3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --juZjCTNxrMaZdGZC--