From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 102265 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2016 20:49:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 102251 invoked by uid 89); 14 Apr 2016 20:49:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=Posix, indispensable, repose, H*i:sk:84CCF5B X-HELO: earth.ccil.org Received: from earth.ccil.org (HELO earth.ccil.org) (192.190.237.11) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:49:21 +0000 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aqoCV-0004ws-7y for cygwin@cygwin.com; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:49:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:49:00 -0000 From: John Cowan To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: native Linux userland in Windows 10 Message-ID: <20160414204916.GB7622@mercury.ccil.org> References: <416uDmm4T7200S05.1460552179@web05.cms.usa.net> <84CCF5B5-9F11-4541-A527-FD0BD3AE5545@etr-usa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <84CCF5B5-9F11-4541-A527-FD0BD3AE5545@etr-usa.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-04/txt/msg00349.txt.bz2 Warren Young scripsit: > Third, given a choice between the Cygwin package repo and the Ubuntu > package repo, well, no contest, yes? That’s also why Ubuntu and > not, say, Fedora or Arch; Microsoft chose the biggest single package > repo available. I'm not so sure of that. Canonical is fairly friendly to non-FLOSS software, although the great bulk of the distro is of course FLOSS. It may be a matter of who MS thought they could best work with. > But to drag all of this back on topic, UfW is Microsoft saying, > “Yes, we know we screwed up. Please accept this full apology.” A > whole lot of people are going to accept that gratefully. Ever since I had to switch to Win64, I've missed CoLinux (which apparently is no longer being developed). UoW, once the bugs are flushed, will look a lot like that: the Windows filesystem is visible but the Win32 executables don't work. (Wine on UoW? Who knows?) > Under PowerShell, you run a command line, get a given output, but then > still have no obvious solution because the command’s representation > may materially change in a pipeline, so now you have to go chasing > through the MSDN docs or reflection APIs to work out how to crawl its > list-of-objects representation. There are of course a few Posix commands like that, notably ls. It's just that we are used to them, and they usually do the Right Thing when the output is not a tty. > UfW will be completely independent of Cygwin. More’s the pity, > because it means you’ll be incentivized to choose one or the other, > likely to Cygwin’s net detriment. Based on my CoLinux experience, I expect I'll keep Cygwin but won't use it as much as I do today. It will still be indispensable for some things. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Not to perambulate the corridors during the hours of repose in the boots of ascension. --Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple