From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12039 invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2016 03:22:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 11791 invoked by uid 89); 10 Nov 2016 03:21:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=H*F:D*ua, kindly, click, truly X-HELO: forward20j.cmail.yandex.net Received: from forward20j.cmail.yandex.net (HELO forward20j.cmail.yandex.net) (5.255.227.239) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 03:21:44 +0000 Received: from smtp3m.mail.yandex.net (smtp3m.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.130]) by forward20j.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4127522347; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:21:41 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp3m.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3m.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id ACCF62840CE5; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:21:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp3m.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id u2r7mjGvfr-LdFWaMYf; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:21:39 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0,1 0 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 03:22:00 -0000 From: Andrey Gursky To: cygwin@cygwin.com Cc: cyg Simple Subject: Re: WinXP is dead [WAS: 2.6.x: broken compatibility with Wine] Message-Id: <20161110042134.7411e93fb294a8ea36ae0797@e-mail.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2016-11/txt/msg00083.txt.bz2 Hi cyg Simple, On 11/9/2016 7:59 AM, Andrey Gursky wrote: >> >> P.S. Was it not too early to remove WinXP support? Though it is >> officially not supported anymore, there are still PCs running WinXP >> (and Wine). Also there are still systems, I've heard, using some >> embedded Windows, that shares the same code with WinXP, thus making it >> not yet truly obsolete. Additionally a lot of work has been done by >> Cygwin contributors to support this OS and I believe the most of bugs >> have been workarounded, while due to stopped development it is not >> likely one has to spend time solving new problems. So was it really >> worth to drop the hardly crafted code? Are there already some >> worthwhile advantages? Why wasn't it possible to switch Cygwin WinXP >> support to just "not officially supported"? (kindly asking) > > This has been answered. The problem with supporting XP into infinitude > is that every application would need to agree to do the same. > Improvements to the OS API would not be able to be used so there are > trade-offs for the continued support of an OS that is no longer > supported. The code becomes unwieldy to maintain because a change needs > to be tested on other systems. Security maintenance becomes impossible > because the OS vendor no longer supports the older OS. There is the > cygwin time machine, USE IT if you need old software for old OS. Thanks for your reply (however I haven't received it, because you likely didn't click on "reply all"?). Do you refer to the recent message [1]? Regarding cygwin time machine. I can't use it, since cygwin is compiled for MSYS2. And then it is being run under Wine on GNU/Linux. While WinXP is still not dead, Wine is definitively not an old OS. It's just an active project doing WinAPI implementation from scratch according to documentation. Thus I hope Cygwin developers could talk directly to Wine ones to find the minimum needed changes in both projects. Regards, Andrey [1] Re: New Cygwin "setup" program useless on my Win-XP box. Not very nice at all. https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2016-11/msg00060.html -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple