From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61087 invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2016 14:20:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 61067 invoked by uid 9078); 10 Nov 2016 14:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 61058 invoked by uid 89); 10 Nov 2016 14:20:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=H*F:D*ua, EMail, E-Mail, Hx-languages-length:3343 X-Spam-User: qpsmtpd, 2 recipients X-HELO: forward21h.cmail.yandex.net Received: from forward21h.cmail.yandex.net (HELO forward21h.cmail.yandex.net) (87.250.230.54) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:20:10 +0000 Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (smtp2h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.145]) by forward21h.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 6E3EC20EB7; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:20:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id C6143781C6C; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:20:05 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id S2fEW35cCV-K42S3jHj; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:20:04 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0,1 0 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:38:00 -0000 From: Andrey Gursky To: cygwin@cygwin.com Cc: Corinna Vinschen Subject: Re: WinXP is dead [WAS: 2.6.x: broken compatibility with Wine], Message-ID: <20161110151959.e652f67c30629dfe77836b0a@e-mail.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2016-11/txt/msg00094.txt.bz2 Message-ID: <20161110143800.N4XfHnvyh3AhEcQmKVVvRX87A3LIhL8bZ8X4anhjZ6w@z> > On Nov 10 04:21, Andrey Gursky wrote: > > Hi cyg Simple, > > > > On 11/9/2016 7:59 AM, Andrey Gursky wrote: > > > > > > > > P.S. Was it not too early to remove WinXP support? Though it is > > > > officially not supported anymore, there are still PCs running WinXP > > > > (and Wine). Also there are still systems, I've heard, using some > > > > embedded Windows, that shares the same code with WinXP, thus making it > > > > not yet truly obsolete. Additionally a lot of work has been done by > > > > Cygwin contributors to support this OS and I believe the most of bugs > > > > have been workarounded, while due to stopped development it is not > > > > likely one has to spend time solving new problems. So was it really > > > > worth to drop the hardly crafted code? Are there already some > > > > worthwhile advantages? Why wasn't it possible to switch Cygwin WinXP > > > > support to just "not officially supported"? (kindly asking) > > > > > > This has been answered. The problem with supporting XP into infinitude > > > is that every application would need to agree to do the same. > > > Improvements to the OS API would not be able to be used so there are > > > trade-offs for the continued support of an OS that is no longer > > > supported. The code becomes unwieldy to maintain because a change needs > > > to be tested on other systems. Security maintenance becomes impossible > > > because the OS vendor no longer supports the older OS. There is the > > > cygwin time machine, USE IT if you need old software for old OS. > > > > Thanks for your reply (however I haven't received it, because you > > likely didn't click on "reply all"?). > > > > Do you refer to the recent message [1]? > > > > Regarding cygwin time machine. I can't use it, since cygwin is compiled > > for MSYS2. And then it is being run under Wine on GNU/Linux. While > > WinXP is still not dead, Wine is definitively not an old OS. It's just > > an active project doing WinAPI implementation from scratch according to > > documentation. Thus I hope Cygwin developers could talk directly to > > Wine ones to find the minimum needed changes in both projects. > > Ending XP support was announced last year and only a year later we > actually dropped it. So we don't support Windows XP anymore, but we > *would* support Wine. However, the problem here is not on the Cygwin > side. > > It seems Cygwin under Wine was not tested outside of XP compatibility > mode, or Wine doesn't support certain post-XP functions albeit claiming > Vista caompatibility. Cygwin doesn't require any functionality which > isn't available in Vista. Corinna, sorry, I missed that early announce. Is there any link? Since I'm aware only of almost "last minute" MSYS2 mail [1] referring to your recent announce. If I understood you correctly, previously discussed changes in Cygwin itself are not considered anymore and from now Wine is really left alone with this issue? Regards, Andrey [1] Announcement: msys2-runtime 2.5.1 -- last version to support XP/2003 30. June 2016 https://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/mailman/message/35191999/ P.S. I didn't receive your message also. Does Cygwin mailing list program strips my E-Mail address (though I see it in the archive)? (And it even can't guess a possibly follow-up :( ) -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple