* -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 @ 2010-10-17 7:02 Samuel Thibault 2010-10-17 8:15 ` R: " Marco Atzeri 2010-10-18 12:58 ` Nellis, Kenneth 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-17 7:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin; +Cc: Lee Maschmeyer Hello, gcc -static doesn't seem to be working any more using gcc 4.3.4: $ cat test.c int main(void) {} $ gcc test.c -o test -static /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. This is using gcc4 and gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. Samuel -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* R: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-17 7:02 -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-17 8:15 ` Marco Atzeri 2010-10-17 22:46 ` Samuel Thibault 2010-10-18 12:58 ` Nellis, Kenneth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Marco Atzeri @ 2010-10-17 8:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin --- Dom 17/10/10, Samuel Thibault ha scritto: > Data: Domenica 17 ottobre 2010, 02:58 > Hello, > > gcc -static doesn't seem to be working any more using gcc > 4.3.4: > > $ cat test.c > int main(void) {} > $ gcc test.c -o test -static > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > cannot find -lgcc_s > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > cannot find -lgcc_s > > There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for > some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. This is > using gcc4 and > gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. > > Samuel $ gcc test.c -o test -static-libgcc $ cygcheck ./test.exe C:\cygwin\tmp\test.exe C:\cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll C:\WINDOWS\system32\ADVAPI32.DLL C:\WINDOWS\system32\KERNEL32.dll C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll C:\WINDOWS\system32\RPCRT4.dll C:\WINDOWS\system32\Secur32.dll see gcc documetation Regards -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: R: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-17 8:15 ` R: " Marco Atzeri @ 2010-10-17 22:46 ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-17 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Marco Atzeri, le Sun 17 Oct 2010 06:33:39 +0100, a écrit : > > Data: Domenica 17 ottobre 2010, 02:58 > > gcc -static doesn't seem to be working any more using gcc > > 4.3.4: > > > > $ cat test.c > > int main(void) {} > > $ gcc test.c -o test -static > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > > > There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for > > some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. This is > > using gcc4 and > > gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. > > $ gcc test.c -o test -static-libgcc Errr, right, that's a workaround, but I don't see why I should be forced to do it that way, not taking advantage of sharing libgcc, while apparently libgcc_s.dll.a and cygcc_s-1.dll are really there, and it's just something that doesn't exactly work appropriately any more, i.e. a regression. > $ cygcheck ./test.exe > C:\cygwin\tmp\test.exe > C:\cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll > C:\WINDOWS\system32\ADVAPI32.DLL > C:\WINDOWS\system32\KERNEL32.dll > C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll > C:\WINDOWS\system32\RPCRT4.dll > C:\WINDOWS\system32\Secur32.dll > > see gcc documetation Yes, it doesn't use the shared version of libgcc, but that's not what I want. Samuel -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* RE: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-17 7:02 -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 Samuel Thibault 2010-10-17 8:15 ` R: " Marco Atzeri @ 2010-10-18 12:58 ` Nellis, Kenneth 2010-10-18 13:12 ` Samuel Thibault 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Nellis, Kenneth @ 2010-10-18 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin > From: Samuel Thibault > > Hello, > > gcc -static doesn't seem to be working any more using gcc 4.3.4: > > $ cat test.c > int main(void) {} > $ gcc test.c -o test -static > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > cannot find -lgcc_s > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > cannot find -lgcc_s > > There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for > some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. This is using gcc4 > and > gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. > > Samuel Please, why such a large test case when the following would have been perfectly adequate to demonstrate the problem?: $ cat test.c main() {} $ --Ken Nellis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-18 12:58 ` Nellis, Kenneth @ 2010-10-18 13:12 ` Samuel Thibault 2010-10-18 13:53 ` Marco Atzeri 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-18 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Nellis, Kenneth, le Mon 18 Oct 2010 07:45:15 -0500, a écrit : > > From: Samuel Thibault > > $ cat test.c > > int main(void) {} > > $ gcc test.c -o test -static > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > > > There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for > > some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. This is using gcc4 > > and > > gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. > > Please, why such a large test case when the following would > have been perfectly adequate to demonstrate the problem?: > > $ cat test.c > main() {} > $ Because providing precise information is always better when reporting a bug, whatever the circumstances. That being said, I'd still like to see this bug fixed: the -static is suppoed to be able to work alone. Samuel -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-18 13:12 ` Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-18 13:53 ` Marco Atzeri 2010-10-19 7:46 ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Marco Atzeri @ 2010-10-18 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin --- Lun 18/10/10, Samuel Thibault scritto: > > > From: Samuel Thibault > > > $ cat test.c > > > int main(void) {} > > > $ gcc test.c -o test -static > > > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/4.3.4/../../../../i686-pc-cygwin/bin/ld: > > > cannot find -lgcc_s > > > > > > There indeed is libgcc_s.dll.a in > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/, but for > > > some reason gcc doesn't seem to be happy with it. > This is using gcc4 > > > and > > > gcc4-core 4.3.4-3. gcc-3 works fine. > > > > Please, why such a large test case when the following > would > > have been perfectly adequate to demonstrate the > problem?: > > > > $ cat test.c > > main() {} > > $ > > Because providing precise information is always better when > reporting a > bug, whatever the circumstances. > > That being said, I'd still like to see this bug fixed: the > -static is > suppoed to be able to work alone. > > Samuel > have you checked if 4.5 has the same problem ? http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2010-08/msg00016.html -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-18 13:53 ` Marco Atzeri @ 2010-10-19 7:46 ` Samuel Thibault 2011-02-03 19:34 ` gvidaver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ 2010-10-19 7:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Marco Atzeri, le Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:22:02 +0100, a écrit : > have you checked if 4.5 has the same problem ? > > http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2010-08/msg00016.html It doesn't have the problem any more. Samuel -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2010-10-19 7:46 ` Samuel Thibault @ 2011-02-03 19:34 ` gvidaver 2011-02-03 19:48 ` marco atzeri 2011-02-03 19:50 ` Charles Wilson 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: gvidaver @ 2011-02-03 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin It still requires the cygwin1.dll: $ g++ -v ... gcc version 4.5.0 (GCC) $ g++ test.c -o test -static $ ldd test.exe ... cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000) ... And apparently the only alternative is mingw, see: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.programming.static-linking "it is not possible to statically link with a Cygwin library to obtain an independent, self-contained executable. " $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ -v ... gcc version 4.5.1 (GCC) $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ test.c -o test -static $ ldd test.exe ntdll.dll => ... path to Windows dlls kernel32.dll => ... KERNELBASE.dll => ... msvcrt.dll => ... (I.e. no dependencies on anything besides system dlls.) Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Marco Atzeri, le Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:22:02 +0100, a écrit : >> have you checked if 4.5 has the same problem ? >> >> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2010-08/msg00016.html > > It doesn't have the problem any more. > > Samuel > > -- > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-static-not-working-with-gcc-4.3.4-tp29981383p30838541.html Sent from the Cygwin list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2011-02-03 19:34 ` gvidaver @ 2011-02-03 19:48 ` marco atzeri 2011-02-03 21:21 ` gvidaver 2011-02-03 19:50 ` Charles Wilson 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: marco atzeri @ 2011-02-03 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM, gvidaver wrote: what is a new game to continue a thread after 3-4 months ? > > It still requires the cygwin1.dll: of course it is a cygwin program built by the gcc for cygwin . > > $ g++ -v > ... > gcc version 4.5.0 (GCC) > > $ g++ test.c -o test -static > > $ ldd test.exe > ... > cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000) > ... > > And apparently the only alternative is mingw, see: > > http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.programming.static-linking > "it is not possible to statically link with a Cygwin library to obtain an > independent, self-contained executable. " > > $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ -v > ... > gcc version 4.5.1 (GCC) > > $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ test.c -o test -static > > $ ldd test.exe > ntdll.dll => ... path to Windows dlls > kernel32.dll => ... > KERNELBASE.dll => ... > msvcrt.dll => ... > > (I.e. no dependencies on anything besides system dlls.) > > > Samuel Thibault wrote: >> >> Marco Atzeri, le Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:22:02 +0100, a écrit : >>> have you checked if 4.5 has the same problem ? >>> >>> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2010-08/msg00016.html >> >> It doesn't have the problem any more. >> >> Samuel >> >> -- >> Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html >> FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ >> Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html >> Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple >> >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-static-not-working-with-gcc-4.3.4-tp29981383p30838541.html > Sent from the Cygwin list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > -- > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > > -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2011-02-03 19:48 ` marco atzeri @ 2011-02-03 21:21 ` gvidaver 2011-02-03 22:19 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: gvidaver @ 2011-02-03 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin To clarify : you can't make an executable that copies the dll or library code into the executable itself. When the exe launches it will look for cygwin1.dll in /usr/bin. So it will fail to launch on a system that doesn't have cygwin installed. If I understand the cygwin license, this is intended as a way to help RedHat make money from cygwin (this intent is fine by me) by forcing you to pay them for a solution to this problem. marco atzeri-4 wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM, gvidaver wrote: > > what is a new game to continue a thread after 3-4 months ? > >> >> It still requires the cygwin1.dll: > > of course it is a cygwin program built by the gcc for cygwin . > >> >> $ g++ -v >> ... >> gcc version 4.5.0 (GCC) >> >> $ g++ test.c -o test -static >> >> $ ldd test.exe >> ... >> cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000) >> ... >> >> And apparently the only alternative is mingw, see: >> >> http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.programming.static-linking >> "it is not possible to statically link with a Cygwin library to obtain an >> independent, self-contained executable. " >> >> $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ -v >> ... >> gcc version 4.5.1 (GCC) >> >> $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ test.c -o test -static >> >> $ ldd test.exe >> ntdll.dll => ... path to Windows dlls >> kernel32.dll => ... >> KERNELBASE.dll => ... >> msvcrt.dll => ... >> >> (I.e. no dependencies on anything besides system dlls.) >> >> >> Samuel Thibault wrote: >>> >>> Marco Atzeri, le Mon 18 Oct 2010 14:22:02 +0100, a écrit : >>>> have you checked if 4.5 has the same problem ? >>>> >>>> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2010-08/msg00016.html >>> >>> It doesn't have the problem any more. >>> >>> Samuel >>> >>> -- >>> Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html >>> FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ >>> Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html >>> Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://old.nabble.com/-static-not-working-with-gcc-4.3.4-tp29981383p30838541.html >> Sent from the Cygwin list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> -- >> Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html >> FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ >> Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html >> Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple >> >> > > -- > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/-static-not-working-with-gcc-4.3.4-tp29981383p30839509.html Sent from the Cygwin list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2011-02-03 21:21 ` gvidaver @ 2011-02-03 22:19 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2011-02-03 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 01:21:39PM -0800, gvidaver wrote: >To clarify : you can't make an executable that copies the dll or >library code into the executable itself. When the exe launches it will >look for cygwin1.dll in /usr/bin. So it will fail to launch on a >system that doesn't have cygwin installed. Nope. Cygwin doesn't look in /usr/bin. If you could get something like that to work you'd just have to adhere to the GPL. That's all. >If I understand the cygwin license, this is intended as a way to help >RedHat make money from cygwin (this intent is fine by me) by forcing >you to pay them for a solution to this problem. You don't understand the license. Please stop attempting to give advice. The thread is five months old. We don't need further discussion. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: -static not working with gcc 4.3.4 2011-02-03 19:34 ` gvidaver 2011-02-03 19:48 ` marco atzeri @ 2011-02-03 19:50 ` Charles Wilson 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Charles Wilson @ 2011-02-03 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2/3/2011 2:34 PM, gvidaver wrote: > It still requires the cygwin1.dll: > > $ g++ -v > ... > gcc version 4.5.0 (GCC) > > $ g++ test.c -o test -static > > $ ldd test.exe > ... > cygwin1.dll => /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll (0x61000000) > ... Uhm, yes. The cygwin-provided gcc is a cygwin compiler, intended for generating cygwin DLLs and executables. Thus, all dlls and exes it generates will require the cygwin1.dll (since there is not now, and will not be, any "static version" of cygwin1.dll). Older cygwin gcc's had a controversial mode "-mno-cygwin" that, basically, turned the cygwin gcc into a buggy version of the mingw gcc. It often had "cygwin pollution" problems, and many people misunderstood the purpose of the flag. So, it has been deprecated for about five years now, and was finally removed with the release of cygwin's gcc-4.3.4. > And apparently the only alternative is mingw, see: > > http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.programming.static-linking > "it is not possible to statically link with a Cygwin library to obtain an > independent, self-contained executable. " > > $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ -v > ... > gcc version 4.5.1 (GCC) > > $ i686-w64-mingw32-g++ test.c -o test -static > > $ ldd test.exe > ntdll.dll => ... path to Windows dlls > kernel32.dll => ... > KERNELBASE.dll => ... > msvcrt.dll => ... > > (I.e. no dependencies on anything besides system dlls.) Right, but on the "cygwin system", the cygwin1.dll IS a system dll (as are cyggcc_s-1.dll, cygstdc++-6.dll, and the other "language" runtime libraries). All -static does is force the compiler to attempt to link statically to OTHER user libs that you'd pass on the link command, like -lintl -lz -ljpeg etc. You can, in SOME cases, avoid a shared dependency on the *language* runtimes (for C and C++ alone) by using the -static-libgcc and/or -static-libstdc++, but...there are complexities with that. However, using the cygwin compiler, you cannot (*) avoid a dependency on the cygwin runtime cygwin1.dll. This is not a bug; it is part of the design. Now, the OP in this thread posted a problem with -static related to the language runtime library for C (gcc_s aka cyggcc_s-1.dll) but that's a whole different issue that your attempt to avoid cygwin1.dll. (*) OK, sure, you can use -nostdlib but...I guarantee you won't like the results. It just won't work, and you'd be better off simply using the mingw compiler instead (or one of cygwin's mingw-target cross compilers). -- Chuck -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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