[IIS] E/S standards via la console

[IIS] E/S standards via la console

[flam]

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Bonjour à tous,


Je cherche un moyen pour échanger des infos avec IIS par le biais des
E/S standards via la console.
Le but étant de créer des scripts CGI avec un langage qui n'accède pas
aux E/S standards.

Si possible, j'aimerais que cela fonctionne avec Windows95 et WindowsNT.

Quelqu'un utilise-t-il ou a-t-il développé un outil de ce genre ?

Merci par avance.

Salutations.

flam

PS : Désolé mais je ne parle pas anglais.

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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Micheal A. Benzinger]

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For those of you who don't speak French and might be able to offer
a helping hand, here is a translation:

Hi everybody,

I am looking for a way to exchange information with IIS by means
of the E/S standards via the console.  The goal being to create
some CGI scripts with a language that does not have access to the
E/S standards.

If possible, I would prefer that this works with Windows 95 and NT.

Does someone use or has someone developed a utility of this type.

Thanks in advance,

flam

PS: Sorry but I don't speak English.


A flam,

J'espère que cela vous aide avec vos recherches dans ce groupe.

Mike

At 10:04 AM 10/4/97 +0400, flam wrote:
>Bonjour à tous,
>
>
>Je cherche un moyen pour échanger des infos avec IIS par le biais des
>E/S standards via la console.
>Le but étant de créer des scripts CGI avec un langage qui n'accède pas
>aux E/S standards.
>
>Si possible, j'aimerais que cela fonctionne avec Windows95 et WindowsNT.
>
>Quelqu'un utilise-t-il ou a-t-il développé un outil de ce genre ?
>
>Merci par avance.
>
>Salutations.
>
>flam
>
>PS : Désolé mais je ne parle pas anglais.


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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Charles Curley]

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At 07:54 PM 10/5/97 -0500, Micheal A. Benzinger wrote:
>For those of you who don't speak French and might be able to offer
>a helping hand, here is a translation:

Merci (which just about exhausts my French :-)

Michael, are you willing to translate for Flam? If not, perhaps he can get
someone else?

>
>Hi everybody,
>
>I am looking for a way to exchange information with IIS by means
>of the E/S standards via the console.  The goal being to create
>some CGI scripts with a language that does not have access to the
>E/S standards.

The only "IIS" I know about is Microsoft's Internet Information Server,
which comes as a freebie with NT 4.0. Is that the one to which you are
referring?

Unfortunately, I have no idea what the E/S standards are to which you
refer. Anyone else?


I have used IIS Version 2, and recommend you stay away from it. Version 3
should be better. I do not believe either one runs on W95, but I have not
tried it. The Apache group has released a beta NT Apache. If you are on
this list because you are accustomed to both NT and Unix, you might find an
NT version of Apache easier to work on. I do not know if Apache works on W95.


>
>If possible, I would prefer that this works with Windows 95 and NT.
>
>Does someone use or has someone developed a utility of this type.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>flam
>
>PS: Sorry but I don't speak English.
>
>
>A flam,
>
>J'espère que cela vous aide avec vos recherches dans ce groupe.
>
>Mike


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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Micheal A. Benzinger]

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Charles

Here's the translation for flam.

Mike

>Merci (which just about exhausts my French :-)
>
>Michael, are you willing to translate for Flam? If not, perhaps he can get
>someone else?
>

Merci (c'est tout le français que je connais)

Michael, voulez-vous traduire for Flam?  Si non, peut-être il peut trouver
quelqu'un d'autre?
>>
>>Hi everybody,
>>
>>I am looking for a way to exchange information with IIS by means
>>of the E/S standards via the console.  The goal being to create
>>some CGI scripts with a language that does not have access to the
>>E/S standards.
>
>The only "IIS" I know about is Microsoft's Internet Information Server,
>which comes as a freebie with NT 4.0. Is that the one to which you are
>referring?
>
Le seul "IIS" que je connais est l'Internet Information Server de
Microsoft, qui est distribué gratuitement avec NT 4.0.  Est-ce bien à
ce logiciel que vous référez?

>Unfortunately, I have no idea what the E/S standards are to which you
>refer. Anyone else?
>
Malheureusement, je ne connais pas les standards E/S dont vous parlez.
>
>I have used IIS Version 2, and recommend you stay away from it. Version 3
>should be better. I do not believe either one runs on W95, but I have not
>tried it. The Apache group has released a beta NT Apache. If you are on
>this list because you are accustomed to both NT and Unix, you might find an
>NT version of Apache easier to work on. I do not know if Apache works on W95.
>
J'ai utilisé IIS Version 2, et je recommnde que vous l'évitez.  La Version
3 est meilleure.  Je ne crois pas que ni l'un, ni l'autre march sur Windows
95, mais je ne l'ai pas essayé.  Le groupe Apache a relâché un beta de
Apache pour Windows NT.  Si vous vous abonnez à cette liste parce que vous
êtes habitué à NT et UNIX, vous pourriez trouver une version NT de Apache
plus facile à employer.  Je ne sais pas si Apache marche sur Windows 95.
>
>
>
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>
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>

Flam

Je ne pense pas que la réponse répond à votre demande, mais je vous l'ai
traduit quand même.

Quant à ma traduction anterieure et votre réponse, il n'y a pas de quoi.

Bonne chance avec vos recherches!

Mike

PS  Je ne connais pas l'Ile de la Réunion, que la France.  Il doit
faire hyper-beau là-bas.  Maintenant j'habite le Texas aux USA et
en été il fait beaucoup trop chaud.

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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Ed Huott]

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Qu'est-ce que c'est "E/S"?

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Micheal A. Benzinger wrote:
> 
> For those of you who don't speak French and might be able to offer
> a helping hand, here is a translation:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I am looking for a way to exchange information with IIS by means
> of the E/S standards via the console.  The goal being to create
> some CGI scripts with a language that does not have access to the
> E/S standards.
> 
> If possible, I would prefer that this works with Windows 95 and NT.
> 
> Does someone use or has someone developed a utility of this type.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> flam
> 
> PS: Sorry but I don't speak English.
> 
> A flam,
> 
> J'espère que cela vous aide avec vos recherches dans ce groupe.
> 
> Mike
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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[flam]

Hi everybody,


I test to write in english (Sorry in advance).

I thank you for yours answers and Michael for his translation.


>Charles Curley wrote:
> 
> (...) 
> The only "IIS" I know about is Microsoft's Internet Information Server,
> which comes as a freebie with NT 4.0. Is that the one to which you are
> referring?

Yes.

 
> Unfortunately, I have no idea what the E/S standards are to which you
> refer. Anyone else?

I have readed "Golden book - Windows NT 3.5 Programmation" by Brian
Myers & Eric Hamer. (I don't know if it's the original title).

In Chapter 17 - API of console, the I/O standards is : CONIN$ (equal
stdin) and CONOUT$ (stdout) using with CreateFile().

I hav'nt find example for use in this book.



> I have used IIS Version 2, and recommend you stay away from it. Version 3
> should be better. I do not believe either one runs on W95, but I have not
> tried it.
> (...)

Even if CONIN$ and CONOUT$ don't exist with WindowsNT 4, it is possible
to create a C program to communicate with IIS (or any Internet Server).
	MY_PROGRAM.EXE <--> C_PROGRAM_I/O <--> IIS

I want not to use IIS with Windows95. Actually i use Windows95 and
OmniHTTPd (Server). If my C program run with him, this program will run
with WindowsNT and IIS, i think. 



Other question concerning the console : The golden book indicate that
the option of compiling is :	-subsystem:console
Have Gnu-win32 an equivalent of this option ?


I hope that this help you.

I thank you for your help.

Salutations.

flam
PS : I'm sorry if my text is direspectful, it's not my objective.
My "english" is very bad.


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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Charles Curley]

At 10:08 AM 10/7/97 +0400, flam wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>
>I test to write in english (Sorry in advance).

Your english is fine. It's better than some native speakers' english.

>
>I thank you for yours answers and Michael for his translation.
>
>
>>Charles Curley wrote:
>> 
>> (...) 
>> The only "IIS" I know about is Microsoft's Internet Information Server,
>> which comes as a freebie with NT 4.0. Is that the one to which you are
>> referring?
>
>Yes.
>
> 
>> Unfortunately, I have no idea what the E/S standards are to which you
>> refer. Anyone else?
>
>I have readed "Golden book - Windows NT 3.5 Programmation" by Brian
>Myers & Eric Hamer. (I don't know if it's the original title).
>
>In Chapter 17 - API of console, the I/O standards is : CONIN$ (equal
>stdin) and CONOUT$ (stdout) using with CreateFile().
>
>I hav'nt find example for use in this book.

OK, that helps. stdin, stderr and stdout are three "files" that are always
open for any C program. You should not need to run CreateFile to open them.
stdin and stdout are re-directable, i.e. on the command line you can send
the output to a file or another process. Stderr is also redirectable under
most shells (redirection being a shell function, not a program function).

What happens with a CGI program is this: the user input is formatted by the
browser and shipped back to the server appended to the URL for a CGI
program. The server feeds it to the program. The program picks up the
input, some times from the environment, some times from stdin. It processes
the data. All output that is intended for the user goes to stdout. Anything
the programmer wants to have the server log goes to stderr. The server
ships the stdout output to the browser verbatim. The server is the CGI
program's shell.


>
>
>
>> I have used IIS Version 2, and recommend you stay away from it. Version 3
>> should be better. I do not believe either one runs on W95, but I have not
>> tried it.
>> (...)
>
>Even if CONIN$ and CONOUT$ don't exist with WindowsNT 4, it is possible
>to create a C program to communicate with IIS (or any Internet Server).
>	MY_PROGRAM.EXE <--> C_PROGRAM_I/O <--> IIS

CONIN$ and CONOUT$ do exist on VC++ 5.0 (They reside in the compiler
libraries, not the OS). Read about consoles in Windows Base Services to
find out what they do. I've never used them on VC++. On the basis of a
brief reading of the doc, I think you can ignore them. Use stdin, etc.


>
>I want not to use IIS with Windows95. Actually i use Windows95 and
>OmniHTTPd (Server). If my C program run with him, this program will run
>with WindowsNT and IIS, i think. 

It should. I have Omnihttpd v 1.01 (1997), their last free version. It does
have some problems with server side includes, but their interface to perl
appears to work quite well. Their C sample CGI programs all work. You do
need to specify the paths and do other setup, but that is documented. IIS
supports the same interface, so anything that works on Omnihttpd should
work with IIS.


>
>
>
>Other question concerning the console : The golden book indicate that
>the option of compiling is :	-subsystem:console
>Have Gnu-win32 an equivalent of this option ?

Anyone else?

This is a MS VC++ option which forces the linker to use the command line
start-up code for a command line (console) program, as opposed to the
default of a GUI program.

My experience with gcc is on linux. There the default mode is command line
(console).


>PS : I'm sorry if my text is direspectful, it's not my objective.
>My "english" is very bad.

Your writing is not disrespectful, and your english is quite good. Stick
around, and you will pick up more and learn a lot.

If you have any more questions about web servers, drop me a private note,
as they are off topic here. However, this is a good place for questions
about gcc on WNT/W95.


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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Fernandes, Hilton]

Hi!

Thanks for your very informative letter.  Since i read it I'm 
considering to play with Omnihttpd.  As far as i understand it is a 
web server for Win95, right?

However, i'd like to tell you of a gotcha that i personally hit real
hard.  I'm sure you know about this, but just in case you've 
overlooked this particularity of Windows NT.

Under Windows NT it is not true a program has the console trio
(stdin, stdout and stderr) automatically open.  That's only true for
console programs. GUI applications must issue explicitly a
AllocConsole() to have the consolo trio open.


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Re: [IIS] E/S standards via la console

[Charles Curley]

At 21:02 12/10/97 +0000, Fernandes, Hilton wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Thanks for your very informative letter.  Since i read it I'm 
>considering to play with Omnihttpd.  As far as i understand it is a 
>web server for Win95, right?

As far as I know, W95 only. I haven't tried it on NT. If I need a web
server for NT, I'll grab Apache.


>
>However, i'd like to tell you of a gotcha that i personally hit real
>hard.  I'm sure you know about this, but just in case you've 
>overlooked this particularity of Windows NT.
>
>Under Windows NT it is not true a program has the console trio
>(stdin, stdout and stderr) automatically open.  That's only true for
>console programs. GUI applications must issue explicitly a
>AllocConsole() to have the consolo trio open.

Actually, I did not know about that. Thanks. Is that a compiler/library
issue, or is that a OS issue? It makes sense, in that most GUI programs
don't use console I/O, so why bother with it unless you need it.

The question came up in the context of CGI programming. I would write a
console program for CGI so I could test it, so I expect the issue has not
come up.



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