Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Gilligan]

I was wondering if anyone was working on this for b19?  It's the only thing
Redhat's rpm program needs to be able to install programs via their packages.
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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Marty Leisner]

In message < 340F262A.EE4DEA75@prairienet.org >,   you write:
>I was wondering if anyone was working on this for b19?  It's the only thing
>Redhat's rpm program needs to be able to install programs via their packages.
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How would chroot work (except within a process)?

marty

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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[David Murn]

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Gilligan wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone was working on this for b19?  It's the only thing
> Redhat's rpm program needs to be able to install programs via their packages.

Just out of interest, why are you wanting to use rpm on a Win32 system
anyway?  Also, about your chroot() problem, can't you get around this
problem by using cpio and the rpm2cpio programs combined?

Davey

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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Gilligan]

> Just out of interest, why are you wanting to use rpm on a Win32 system
> anyway?  Also, about your chroot() problem, can't you get around this
> problem by using cpio and the rpm2cpio programs combined?
> 
> Davey

Mainly, to have a way of managing packages (the "pm" in rpm :)), making it
easier to install, remove, upgrade, etc packages.
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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Gilligan]

Marty Leisner wrote:
> 
> In message < 340F262A.EE4DEA75@prairienet.org >,   you write:
> >I was wondering if anyone was working on this for b19?  It's the only thing
> >Redhat's rpm program needs to be able to install programs via their packages.
> 
> How would chroot work (except within a process)?
> 
> marty

One way could be to temporarily remap the mount table to adjust where / is. 
Then, of course, it'd have to remap it to what it was before at the program's
exit.
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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[David Fox]

Gilligan <kunglao@prairienet.org> writes:

> > Just out of interest, why are you wanting to use rpm on a Win32 system
> > anyway?  Also, about your chroot() problem, can't you get around this
> > problem by using cpio and the rpm2cpio programs combined?
> 
> Mainly, to have a way of managing packages (the "pm" in rpm :)), making it
> easier to install, remove, upgrade, etc packages.

I would also like to see RPM under Win32, unless there is some
superior alternative available under NT.  Of course, for it to be
superior it would have to be cross platform and already available and
in wide use under Unix, which it isn't.  So there you are.
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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Paul Prescod]

David Fox wrote:
> I would also like to see RPM under Win32, unless there is some
> superior alternative available under NT.  Of course, for it to be
> superior it would have to be cross platform and already available and
> in wide use under Unix, which it isn't.  So there you are.

Is RPM in wide use under Unix as opposed to just Linux? I have used it
and found it very convenient, but hardly anybody distributes their
software that way by default. :( Some Linuxer always has to turn it into
an RPM. It would be very nice if RPM were more widely used and
supported. Maybe making it available and compatible under NT would help.
I'm no expert, but can't you make RPMs that have just the portable
source and no binaries?

 Paul Prescod

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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Alex]

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Paul Prescod wrote:

> Is RPM in wide use under Unix as opposed to just Linux? I have used it

No, it's not widely used even within Linux.  Check out someone running
Debian or Slackware, they each have their own package managers, as does
Solaris and FreeBSD, and OpenBSD, etc,etc.

> and found it very convenient, but hardly anybody distributes their
> software that way by default. :( Some Linuxer always has to turn it into
> an RPM. It would be very nice if RPM were more widely used and
> supported. Maybe making it available and compatible under NT would help.

Yes it would.  I'm sure that someone could hack around to get a chroot
like thing working.

> I'm no expert, but can't you make RPMs that have just the portable
> source and no binaries?

Yes.

- alex

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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Gilligan]

Paul Prescod wrote:
> 
> David Fox wrote:
> > I would also like to see RPM under Win32, unless there is some
> > superior alternative available under NT.  Of course, for it to be
> > superior it would have to be cross platform and already available and
> > in wide use under Unix, which it isn't.  So there you are.
> 
> Is RPM in wide use under Unix as opposed to just Linux? I have used it
> and found it very convenient, but hardly anybody distributes their
> software that way by default. :( Some Linuxer always has to turn it into
> an RPM. It would be very nice if RPM were more widely used and
> supported. Maybe making it available and compatible under NT would help.
> I'm no expert, but can't you make RPMs that have just the portable
> source and no binaries?
> 
>  Paul Prescod

Yes, you can make RPMs have whatever you want.  Any unix system needs some way
of managing all the software that gets installed (despite what the
real-men-only-use-tar.gz type people say).  I've run Linux for quite a while and
have gotten used to RPM.  It would be extremely handy here for those times you
just want to start over.  Make a list of what you have installed (rpm -qa),
deltree everything, and re-download the rpms and you'll be all set.

Of course, looking toward the future, the "final" product should have some kind
of package manager, might as well start now :).  BTW, I am working on a
chroot-less rpm.  It seems like it will work, you just cannot redirect root from
/.

On another note, anyone else experience quite a few gpfs in win95 (osr2) with
the last couple cygwin.dll's of Seryey?  Could just be my flakey system, but
there's frequent GPFs, lockups, etc.
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Re: Any plans on implementing chroot() in b19?

[Earnie Boyd]

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Gilligan wrote:

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> On another note, anyone else experience quite a few gpfs in win95 (osr2) with
> the last couple cygwin.dll's of Seryey?  Could just be my flakey system, but
> there's frequent GPFs, lockups, etc.
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yes.  I tried installing the current package and it just won't work
properly.  I can get bash up and running.  I took care to install the
proper cygwin.dll.  I go to the ncurses source, rm the config.cache file,
type configure and when it test for GCC it just hangs the computer.  I
have to cold boot (can't even get the Windows task manager to respond).

I am using the original version of Win95.  Could this make a difference?

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