From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Wilson To: Christopher Faylor Cc: Simon Quellen Field , Cygwin Forum Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:47:00 -0000 Message-id: <36C2FB9D.519A1D88@ece.gatech.edu> References: <000001be5066$3b093ce0$7f80a8c0@DEV9503.scicom.com> <3.0.3.32.19990204151830.00962460@pop.ma.ultranet.com> <199902102213.OAA18098@deimos.nc.com> <19990211090950.B25305@cygnus.com> X-SW-Source: 1999-02/msg00345.html Although I agree with your sentiment, Chris, I think you picked the wrong target. I did not find Simon's post to be a bad-humored rant at all. (Off-topic - well, probably so, yes) Truthfully, I thought he expressed a good idea - and rather than whining about some problem, he proposed a solution. That's what the open-source community is all about, right? --Chuck Christopher Faylor wrote: > Actually, you have seen very few unsubscribe messages in the last few > years because the previous mailing list software was set up to do pretty > much what you describe. > > As should be painfully obvious, we are still in the process of tweaking > the new mailing list software. We didn't get everything exactly right > in our first attempt. > > Also, you're responding to a thread that died out almost a week ago. > > Personally, I find these little bad-humored, off-topic rants much more > distracting than the occasional 'unsubscribe' message. > > YMMV. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Simon Quellen Field wrote: > >How many times over the past few years have we seen 'unsubscribe' > >messages? When that many people can't figure out how to do common > >operations with a piece of software, maybe it's time to blame the > >software instead of the people. > > > >How difficult can it be to write a list server that looks at the mail it is > >about to send, checking for content that has nothing but the word > >'unsubscribe' in it? Certainly once it has found such a piece of mail, > >it is not brain surgery to decide not to mail it out to the list, but > >instead to simply honor the request. > > > >Maybe the problem is that the list server was designed to make > >Multi-Level Marketing easy, (hence the name 'ezmlm'), and people > >who cater to spammers have a different outlook than a bunch of > >programmers who donate their time to providing free software to > >the world. > > > >Maybe the next free software project should be a smarter list server. > > > >At 03:18 PM 2/4/99 -0500, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > >>At 11:59 AM 2/4/99 -0800, H. Sawyer Gillespie wrote: > >>>unsubscribe > >>> > >> > >>Can people PLEASE stop sending their requests for unsubscribing to the list? > >>The proper way to unsubscribe from the list is to send mail to the LIST > >>SERVER address, NOT the list address itself. If you don't know what the > >>address is that you should send to, check the Cygnus web site. It clearly > >>states the address and the process. See: > >> > >> http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/lists.html > >> > >>For example, people looking to get off the cygwin list should send mail to > >>cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com. > > -- > cgf@cygnus.com > http://www.cygnus.com/ > > -- > Want to unsubscribe from this list? > Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Charles Wilson To: Christopher Faylor Cc: Simon Quellen Field , Cygwin Forum Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <36C2FB9D.519A1D88@ece.gatech.edu> References: <000001be5066$3b093ce0$7f80a8c0@DEV9503.scicom.com> <3.0.3.32.19990204151830.00962460@pop.ma.ultranet.com> <199902102213.OAA18098@deimos.nc.com> <19990211090950.B25305@cygnus.com> X-SW-Source: 1999-02n/msg00337.html Message-ID: <19990228230200.JZr44XXTdwQP1frqjFaVcRW3msNsr8jN3HR4LC5qgxs@z> Although I agree with your sentiment, Chris, I think you picked the wrong target. I did not find Simon's post to be a bad-humored rant at all. (Off-topic - well, probably so, yes) Truthfully, I thought he expressed a good idea - and rather than whining about some problem, he proposed a solution. That's what the open-source community is all about, right? --Chuck Christopher Faylor wrote: > Actually, you have seen very few unsubscribe messages in the last few > years because the previous mailing list software was set up to do pretty > much what you describe. > > As should be painfully obvious, we are still in the process of tweaking > the new mailing list software. We didn't get everything exactly right > in our first attempt. > > Also, you're responding to a thread that died out almost a week ago. > > Personally, I find these little bad-humored, off-topic rants much more > distracting than the occasional 'unsubscribe' message. > > YMMV. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Simon Quellen Field wrote: > >How many times over the past few years have we seen 'unsubscribe' > >messages? When that many people can't figure out how to do common > >operations with a piece of software, maybe it's time to blame the > >software instead of the people. > > > >How difficult can it be to write a list server that looks at the mail it is > >about to send, checking for content that has nothing but the word > >'unsubscribe' in it? Certainly once it has found such a piece of mail, > >it is not brain surgery to decide not to mail it out to the list, but > >instead to simply honor the request. > > > >Maybe the problem is that the list server was designed to make > >Multi-Level Marketing easy, (hence the name 'ezmlm'), and people > >who cater to spammers have a different outlook than a bunch of > >programmers who donate their time to providing free software to > >the world. > > > >Maybe the next free software project should be a smarter list server. > > > >At 03:18 PM 2/4/99 -0500, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote: > >>At 11:59 AM 2/4/99 -0800, H. Sawyer Gillespie wrote: > >>>unsubscribe > >>> > >> > >>Can people PLEASE stop sending their requests for unsubscribing to the list? > >>The proper way to unsubscribe from the list is to send mail to the LIST > >>SERVER address, NOT the list address itself. If you don't know what the > >>address is that you should send to, check the Cygnus web site. It clearly > >>states the address and the process. See: > >> > >> http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/lists.html > >> > >>For example, people looking to get off the cygwin list should send mail to > >>cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com. > > -- > cgf@cygnus.com > http://www.cygnus.com/ > > -- > Want to unsubscribe from this list? > Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com