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From: Greg Miller <gmiller@classic-games.com>
To: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: Cygwin license
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36EED5C3.8C8358F0@classic-games.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990317090106.27622@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU>

Fergus Henderson wrote:
> > > Courts have held in other cases that glue software required for
> > > inter-operability can be used regardless of license conflicts.
> >
> > The cygwin startup code is not just glue, and there's nothing else for
> > us to be inter-operable with.
> 
> This issue might be inter-operability of e.g. my program written using
> cygwin.dll with someone else's program also written using cygwin.dll.

No, the issue would likely be interoperation between your program and
the DLL itself.

> The point is that your code *is* the OS, or at least part of it, from
> the perspective of POSIX programs.  From that perspective, smorris's
> arguments might hold.  Whether the courts would look at
> it from that perspective is of course an open question...

Actually, the only way I see that part being relevant is if cygwin were
to acquire such a large percentage of the UNIX API implementation market
(including both UNIX OSes and POSIX layers) that it became an antitrust
issue. It's more likely to come down to a matter of whether a judge
considers it feasible to use the cygwin DLL without the libcygwin
library. The import library and possibly the startup code are the only
things likely to be considered targets of the "fair use" clause.
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From: Greg Miller <gmiller@classic-games.com>
To: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: Cygwin license
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:45:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36EED5C3.8C8358F0@classic-games.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <19990331194500.FafnKL99hcKelDk1NVB5i-xqGZLU9zGRPYffgnHZyQ4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19990317090106.27622@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU>

Fergus Henderson wrote:
> > > Courts have held in other cases that glue software required for
> > > inter-operability can be used regardless of license conflicts.
> >
> > The cygwin startup code is not just glue, and there's nothing else for
> > us to be inter-operable with.
> 
> This issue might be inter-operability of e.g. my program written using
> cygwin.dll with someone else's program also written using cygwin.dll.

No, the issue would likely be interoperation between your program and
the DLL itself.

> The point is that your code *is* the OS, or at least part of it, from
> the perspective of POSIX programs.  From that perspective, smorris's
> arguments might hold.  Whether the courts would look at
> it from that perspective is of course an open question...

Actually, the only way I see that part being relevant is if cygwin were
to acquire such a large percentage of the UNIX API implementation market
(including both UNIX OSes and POSIX layers) that it became an antitrust
issue. It's more likely to come down to a matter of whether a judge
considers it feasible to use the cygwin DLL without the libcygwin
library. The import library and possibly the startup code are the only
things likely to be considered targets of the "fair use" clause.
-- 
http://www.classic-games.com/
President Clinton was acquitted; then again, so was O. J. Simpson.
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  reply	other threads:[~1999-03-16 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-03-16  4:59 Earnie Boyd
     [not found] ` < 19990316130132.20506.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com >
1999-03-16  7:41   ` Chris Faylor
     [not found]     ` < 19990316104140.A1113@cygnus.com >
1999-03-16  9:57       ` Steve Morris
     [not found]         ` < 199903161757.MAA12041@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-03-16 12:21           ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]             ` < 199903162021.PAA20648@envy.delorie.com >
1999-03-16 14:01               ` Fergus Henderson
1999-03-16 14:11                 ` Greg Miller [this message]
1999-03-31 19:45                   ` Greg Miller
     [not found]                 ` < 19990317090106.27622@mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU >
1999-03-16 15:00                   ` Steve Morris
     [not found]                     ` < 199903162300.SAA12402@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-03-16 15:15                       ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]                         ` < 199903162315.SAA17599@envy.delorie.com >
1999-03-16 16:43                           ` Steve Morris
     [not found]                             ` < 199903170043.TAA12533@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-03-16 17:04                               ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]                                 ` < 199903170104.UAA18337@envy.delorie.com >
1999-03-17  9:15                                   ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45                                     ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45                                 ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45                             ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45                         ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-16 16:38                       ` Cygwin license -- Please let this thread die Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45                         ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45                     ` Cygwin license Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45                 ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]             ` <199903162234.RAA12379@brocade.nexen.com>
     [not found]               ` <199903162245.RAA17348@envy.delorie.com>
1999-03-16 16:30                 ` Steve Morris
     [not found]                   ` < 199903170029.TAA12499@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-03-16 16:44                     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45                       ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45                   ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45             ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-16 14:14           ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45             ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45         ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45     ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Earnie Boyd
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-02  0:37 Dmitri Dmitrienko
2003-04-02  1:55 ` cygwin license Christopher Faylor
2003-04-02 12:44   ` Ehud Karni
2003-04-02 15:31     ` Randall R Schulz
2003-04-02 20:30       ` Christopher Faylor
2003-04-02 20:46         ` Randall R Schulz
2003-04-02 21:38           ` Igor Pechtchanski
     [not found]           ` <Pine.GSO.4.44.0304021633370.21921-100000@slinky.cs.nyu.edu >
2003-04-02 21:46             ` Randall R Schulz
2003-04-03  4:27           ` Charles Wilson
2003-04-03  4:33             ` Igor Pechtchanski
2003-04-03  4:51             ` Randall R Schulz
2003-04-03 14:23               ` Christopher Faylor
2002-02-01  9:30 Info
2002-02-01  9:44 ` Peter Buckley
2000-05-22 16:51 Cygwin library Zia Sarkeshik
2000-05-23  5:38 ` Cygwin license Thomas.Wolff
2000-05-23  6:22   ` DJ Delorie
2000-05-23  6:35     ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-22  0:01 Kevin.Hughes
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Kevin.Hughes
1999-03-18 23:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
     [not found] ` < 8135911A809AD211AF6300A02480D175034935@iis000.microdata.fr >
1999-03-19  7:16   ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-19  8:41     ` Bartlee Anderson
1999-03-31 19:45       ` Bartlee Anderson
     [not found]     ` < 199903191516.KAA00938@envy.delorie.com >
1999-03-19  8:57       ` Steve Morris
     [not found]         ` < 199903191657.LAA14989@brocade.nexen.com >
1999-03-19  9:41           ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)
1999-03-31 19:45             ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)
1999-03-31 19:45         ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Bernard Dautrevaux
1999-03-18 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
     [not found] ` < 8135911A809AD211AF6300A02480D175034934@iis000.microdata.fr >
1999-03-18 11:33   ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-18 11:36 ` Charles Wilson
     [not found]   ` < 36F155AF.3841C83F@ece.gatech.edu >
1999-03-18 11:47     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45       ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45   ` Charles Wilson
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Bernard Dautrevaux
1999-03-17 10:45 Earnie Boyd
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Earnie Boyd
1999-03-17 10:30 Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Suhaib M. Siddiqi
1999-03-17 10:23 Earnie Boyd
     [not found] ` < 19990317182325.13786.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com >
1999-03-17 10:29   ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-17 11:03   ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45     ` Steve Morris
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Earnie Boyd
1999-03-16 16:27 Earnie Boyd
1999-03-31 19:45 ` Earnie Boyd
1999-03-14 23:24 gernot
     [not found] ` < 990315072308.3841@cse.unsw.edu.au >
1999-03-15  6:04   ` DJ Delorie
     [not found]     ` < 199903151403.JAA05958@envy.delorie.com >
1999-03-16  2:42       ` Gernot Heiser
1999-03-16  9:04         ` Bartlee Anderson
     [not found]           ` < 36EE7A7E.DA38DE04@ec.rockwell.com >
1999-03-16 14:19             ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45               ` Chris Faylor
1999-03-31 19:45           ` Bartlee Anderson
1999-03-31 19:45         ` Gernot Heiser
1999-03-31 19:45     ` DJ Delorie
1999-03-31 19:45 ` gernot

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