Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Earnie Boyd]

--- Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:39:12PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> >
> >The shortcut in the start menu, for starters.  Should we change it?  If
> >so, to what?
> 
> I'd suggest 1.1.x.  I actually changed it to this in later versions of
> the non-GUI installer.  It used to be 1.1.0 and that caused problems
> so I changed it to 1.1.x.
> 

Why denote the version on the shortcut?  Why not just Cygwin?  And don't tell
me to look at the DLL naming thread. ;^)

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[DJ Delorie]

> Why denote the version on the shortcut?  Why not just Cygwin?  And
> don't tell me to look at the DLL naming thread. ;^)

The Cygwin CD-ROM called itself "Cygwin 1.0" in the start menu so I
wanted to put something else to differentiate it.  Perhaps "Cygwin Net
Release"?

Within Red Hat we often need multiple versions of Cygwin installed for
various purposes.

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Chris Faylor]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:31:48PM -0700, Earnie Boyd wrote:
>--- Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:39:12PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>>>The shortcut in the start menu, for starters.  Should we change it?  If
>>>so, to what?
>>
>>I'd suggest 1.1.x.  I actually changed it to this in later versions of
>>the non-GUI installer.  It used to be 1.1.0 and that caused problems so
>>I changed it to 1.1.x.
>
>Why denote the version on the shortcut?  Why not just Cygwin?  And
>don't tell me to look at the DLL naming thread.  ;^)

Um.  Because.  Um.

You know what?  It shouldn't even be Cygwin.  It should be Bash.  That's
what gets started, right?  But then we get people who think that the
whole system is "bash".

(I'm not kidding.  I had a long email exchange with one person who
bashed his bash every bash sentence and couldn't bash understand why the
bash B20 processes were hanging.  He'd carefully bash uninstalled his
bash and reinstalled but was unable to bash the latest bash because all
he could bash was cygwin.  Or something like that.)

So, how about naming the shortcut "Cygwin Bash Shell"?

I know it's redundant (personal PIN number anyone?) but maybe it is
clear enough?

cgf

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Chris Faylor]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:37:28PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
>> Why denote the version on the shortcut?  Why not just Cygwin?  And
>> don't tell me to look at the DLL naming thread. ;^)
>
>The Cygwin CD-ROM called itself "Cygwin 1.0" in the start menu so I
>wanted to put something else to differentiate it.  Perhaps "Cygwin Net
>Release"?
>
>Within Red Hat we often need multiple versions of Cygwin installed for
>various purposes.

How about a hierarchy:

	Cygwin Net Release
	  Bash Shell
	  Documentation
	  README
	  FAQ

Hmm.  Did I just suggest adding the FAQ to the Cygwin net release?
I think we only have to add the FAQ URL, actually.

cgf

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[DJ Delorie]

> You know what?  It shouldn't even be Cygwin.  It should be Bash.  That's
> what gets started, right?  But then we get people who think that the
> whole system is "bash".

The desktop icon just says "Cygwin".

The start menu says "Cygnus Solutions" -> "Cygwin 1.1 Bash Shell"

I suppose we could add "Cygwin 1.1 DOS Shell" or something like that.
I'm not sure how to add URLs with the API we're using, but we can run
notepad.

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Chris Faylor]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:52:34PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>> You know what?  It shouldn't even be Cygwin.  It should be Bash.  That's
>> what gets started, right?  But then we get people who think that the
>> whole system is "bash".
>
>The desktop icon just says "Cygwin".
>
>The start menu says "Cygnus Solutions" -> "Cygwin 1.1 Bash Shell"
>
>I suppose we could add "Cygwin 1.1 DOS Shell" or something like that.
>I'm not sure how to add URLs with the API we're using, but we can run
>notepad.

Sorry.  I really should have checked what was setup.exe was doing.

I think we should just drop the 1.1 and make it "Cygwin Bash Shell".

As far as the FAQ is concerned, I just made a shortcut to the cygwin
web page on my desktop.  The contents look like this:

[InternetShortcut]
URL= http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
Modified=60A97C4BBE17C00166

Dunno if that helps or not.  I've never used the interface in
setup.c for creating shortcuts.

cgf

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[David A. Cobb]

Chris Faylor wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:31:48PM -0700, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> >--- Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
> >>On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:39:12PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> >>>The shortcut in the start menu, for starters.  Should we change it?  If
> >>>so, to what?
> >>

> You know what?  It shouldn't even be Cygwin.  It should be Bash.  That's
> what gets started, right?  But then we get people who think that the
> whole system is "bash".

> So, how about naming the shortcut "Cygwin Bash Shell"?

In fact, that's what I call the desktop shortcut on my machine.  So every time
I run setup it happily adds (another) "cygwin" shortcut icon.  O well,
shortcuts aren't all that expensive.
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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Don Sharp]

David M Dennis wrote:
> 
> It broke out of the box on my Win 98 second edition desktop.
> 
> The sequence was to install cygwin, then to install mks toolkit.
> 

My MKS toolkit was installed first. I also have tools from virtunix.
Although
I have to be careful with PATH in the two environments, I am still
regularly using both environments and some of the virtunix tools.

Hope you succeed in having coexisting environments.

Cheers

Don Sharp

> All the file ownership cygwin had immediately went to mks, and it took
> control of other functionality as well.  cygwin was broken and not until i
> uninstalled mks toolkit did things return.  Nothing else was
> installed/uninstalled in the interim, which only took about 3 hrs to give up on
> mks toolkit, since the one I have license for is only the admin level and has no
> compile tools.
> 
> I'd prove it over again but have grown rather fond of the cygwin install and
> don't want to risk its breaking on this my only computer at present.  I might
> inherit an NT box shortly, will try this sequence there.
> 
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Don Sharp wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > David M Dennis wrote:
> > >
> > > The following would make exceptionally useful FAQ topics as I have not been able
> > > to run down answers from any existing cygwin site I can locate...
> > >
> > > The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions incompatible
> > >
> > > does that include DLL 1.1.4
> > >
> > > how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes, differ from
> > > install cygwin 1.1 ?
> > >
> > > is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not should
> > > one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out of v1.1 to B20
> > > if one needs to in order to run a third part compile binary or are all binaries
> > > of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?
> > >
> > > What rpm or other command would be useful to determine what version of cygwin is
> > > running.
> > >
> > > does cygwin32, CYGWIN_98-4.10 and cygwin refer to different install versions or
> > > compatible systems.  cygwin32 is it 1.1, or B20.  CYGWIN_98-4.10 is it B20 or
> > > 1.1 .
> > >
> > > Is mks Toolkit install capable of installing on same machine as cygwin ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> >
> > I can confirm that I run both MKS and Cygwin on the same NT4SP6a machine
> > with
> > no problems for several years.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Don Sharp
> >
> > >
> > > -dave dennis
> > > dmd@speakeasy.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Chris Faylor wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:52:56AM +0200, Jorge Andreu Garc?a wrote:
> > > > >Where can I find a Tcl/Tk version compatible with cygwin? I have heard
> > > > >that the last one (8.x) are not compatible.
> > > >
> > > > The cygwin web site would be a really good place to start.
> > > >
> > > > Look in one of the mirrors for the source.
> > > >
> > > > cgf
> > > >
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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[David M Dennis]

It broke out of the box on my Win 98 second edition desktop.

The sequence was to install cygwin, then to install mks toolkit.

All the file ownership cygwin had immediately went to mks, and it took
control of other functionality as well.  cygwin was broken and not until i
uninstalled mks toolkit did things return.  Nothing else was
installed/uninstalled in the interim, which only took about 3 hrs to give up on
mks toolkit, since the one I have license for is only the admin level and has no
compile tools.

I'd prove it over again but have grown rather fond of the cygwin install and
don't want to risk its breaking on this my only computer at present.  I might
inherit an NT box shortly, will try this sequence there.

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Don Sharp wrote:

> 
> 
> David M Dennis wrote:
> > 
> > The following would make exceptionally useful FAQ topics as I have not been able
> > to run down answers from any existing cygwin site I can locate...
> > 
> > The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions incompatible
> > 
> > does that include DLL 1.1.4
> > 
> > how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes, differ from
> > install cygwin 1.1 ?
> > 
> > is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not should
> > one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out of v1.1 to B20
> > if one needs to in order to run a third part compile binary or are all binaries
> > of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?
> > 
> > What rpm or other command would be useful to determine what version of cygwin is
> > running.
> > 
> > does cygwin32, CYGWIN_98-4.10 and cygwin refer to different install versions or
> > compatible systems.  cygwin32 is it 1.1, or B20.  CYGWIN_98-4.10 is it B20 or
> > 1.1 .
> > 
> > Is mks Toolkit install capable of installing on same machine as cygwin ?
> > 
> > thanks,
> 
> I can confirm that I run both MKS and Cygwin on the same NT4SP6a machine
> with
> no problems for several years.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Don Sharp
> 
> > 
> > -dave dennis
> > dmd@speakeasy.org
> > 
> > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Chris Faylor wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:52:56AM +0200, Jorge Andreu Garc?a wrote:
> > > >Where can I find a Tcl/Tk version compatible with cygwin? I have heard
> > > >that the last one (8.x) are not compatible.
> > >
> > > The cygwin web site would be a really good place to start.
> > >
> > > Look in one of the mirrors for the source.
> > >
> > > cgf
> > >
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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Don Sharp]

David M Dennis wrote:
> 
> The following would make exceptionally useful FAQ topics as I have not been able
> to run down answers from any existing cygwin site I can locate...
> 
> The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions incompatible
> 
> does that include DLL 1.1.4
> 
> how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes, differ from
> install cygwin 1.1 ?
> 
> is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not should
> one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out of v1.1 to B20
> if one needs to in order to run a third part compile binary or are all binaries
> of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?
> 
> What rpm or other command would be useful to determine what version of cygwin is
> running.
> 
> does cygwin32, CYGWIN_98-4.10 and cygwin refer to different install versions or
> compatible systems.  cygwin32 is it 1.1, or B20.  CYGWIN_98-4.10 is it B20 or
> 1.1 .
> 
> Is mks Toolkit install capable of installing on same machine as cygwin ?
> 
> thanks,

I can confirm that I run both MKS and Cygwin on the same NT4SP6a machine
with
no problems for several years.

Cheers

Don Sharp

> 
> -dave dennis
> dmd@speakeasy.org
> 
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Chris Faylor wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:52:56AM +0200, Jorge Andreu Garc?a wrote:
> > >Where can I find a Tcl/Tk version compatible with cygwin? I have heard
> > >that the last one (8.x) are not compatible.
> >
> > The cygwin web site would be a really good place to start.
> >
> > Look in one of the mirrors for the source.
> >
> > cgf
> >
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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Earnie Boyd]

--- Chris Faylor <cgf@cygnus.com> wrote:
> 
> So, how about naming the shortcut "Cygwin Bash Shell"?
> 
> I know it's redundant (personal PIN number anyone?) but maybe it is
> clear enough?
> 

Sounds clear to me.  If I don't like it I can always right mouse click and
rename it.

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Chris Faylor]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 08:39:12PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>>>The cygwin "dll" is part of the cygwin "package" in a cygwin "install".
>>>Just like the cc1.exe "file" is part of the gcc "package" in a cygwin
>>>"install".
>>
>>Is there actually a Cygwin reference 1.1 somewhere?  I always refer to
>>it as 1.1.x for precisely this reason.  Dropping the extra digit seems
>>to confuse people.
>
>The shortcut in the start menu, for starters.  Should we change it?  If
>so, to what?

I'd suggest 1.1.x.  I actually changed it to this in later versions of
the non-GUI installer.  It used to be 1.1.0 and that caused problems
so I changed it to 1.1.x.

Hopefully the number of people who think that 'x' denotes something
besides a place-holder will be less than the number of people who
think that 1.1 != 1.1.4.

cgf

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[DJ Delorie]

> >The cygwin "dll" is part of the cygwin "package" in a cygwin
> >"install".  Just like the cc1.exe "file" is part of the gcc "package"
> >in a cygwin "install".
> 
> Is there actually a Cygwin reference 1.1 somewhere?  I always refer to
> it as 1.1.x for precisely this reason.  Dropping the extra digit seems
> to confuse people.

The shortcut in the start menu, for starters.  Should we change it?
If so, to what?

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[Chris Faylor]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:49:34PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>I'll take a shot at some of these...
>
>>The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions
>>incompatible
>
>You should be able to run old programs with a new cygwin installation,
>but of course we recommend upgrading everything if you have the CDROM
>or B19 or B20.

Actually newer versions of the Cygwin DLL will work with Cygwin 1.1.3,
1.1.2, 1.1.1, 1.0, and B20.1.  This is reverse chronological order.
None of the above versions will correctly interoperate with B19.

>> does that include DLL 1.1.4
>
>It includes a 1.1.<something> DLL, with the current <something> being
>"4" at the moment.
>
>> how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes,
>> differ from install cygwin 1.1 ?
>
>The cygwin "dll" is part of the cygwin "package" in a cygwin
>"install".  Just like the cc1.exe "file" is part of the gcc "package"
>in a cygwin "install".

Is there actually a Cygwin reference 1.1 somewhere?  I always refer to
it as 1.1.x for precisely this reason.  Dropping the extra digit seems
to confuse people.

>>is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not
>>should one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out
>>of v1.1 to B20 if one needs to in order to run a third part compile
>>binary or are all binaries of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?
>
>You should be able to run B20-aware programs with 1.1.  We almost never
>recommend reverting to a beta.

If you can't run a "B20" .exe with the 1.1.4 DLL then you've found a bug
in Cygwin 1.1.4.  Report it and we'll try to fix it.

cgf

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Re: versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[DJ Delorie]

I'll take a shot at some of these...

> The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions incompatible

You should be able to run old programs with a new cygwin installation,
but of course we recommend upgrading everything if you have the CDROM
or B19 or B20.

> does that include DLL 1.1.4

It includes a 1.1.<something> DLL, with the current <something> being
"4" at the moment.

> how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes,
> differ from install cygwin 1.1 ?

The cygwin "dll" is part of the cygwin "package" in a cygwin
"install".  Just like the cc1.exe "file" is part of the gcc "package"
in a cygwin "install".

With the new net release and setup program, packages can be upgraded
independently of each other.

> is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not should
> one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out of v1.1 to B20
> if one needs to in order to run a third part compile binary or are all binaries
> of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?

You should be able to run B20-aware programs with 1.1.  We almost
never recommend reverting to a beta.

> What rpm or other command would be useful to determine what version
> of cygwin is running.

Either "uname -a" in a cygwin window (the third field), or use the
standard Windows "properties" option in explorer (the version tab).
Or, "grep %%% cygwin1.dll" ;-)

> does cygwin32, CYGWIN_98-4.10 and cygwin refer to different install versions or
> compatible systems.  cygwin32 is it 1.1, or B20.  CYGWIN_98-4.10 is it B20 or
> 1.1 .  

We don't use the name "cygwin32" any more, for legal reasons.  It's
"cygwin" now.  The CYGWIN_* version is the version of *windows* you're
running, not the version of *cygwin*.  You are running Windows 98
version 4.10.

> Is mks Toolkit install capable of installing on same machine as cygwin ?

Sure.  The cygwin shortcuts set up the path, so the two shouldn't
conflict.

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versions/compatibilities FAQ request

[David M Dennis]

The following would make exceptionally useful FAQ topics as I have not been able
to run down answers from any existing cygwin site I can locate...


The install version is 1.1, does that render prior versions incompatible

does that include DLL 1.1.4

how does DLL 1.1.4 which one sees downloadable separately sometimes, differ from
install cygwin 1.1 ?

is B20 compatible with either DLL 1.1.4 or install version 1.1.  If not should
one stay off of B20 sites entirely.  Is it possible to back out of v1.1 to B20
if one needs to in order to run a third part compile binary or are all binaries
of B20 capable of installing on 1.1 ?

What rpm or other command would be useful to determine what version of cygwin is
running.

does cygwin32, CYGWIN_98-4.10 and cygwin refer to different install versions or
compatible systems.  cygwin32 is it 1.1, or B20.  CYGWIN_98-4.10 is it B20 or
1.1 .  

Is mks Toolkit install capable of installing on same machine as cygwin ?


thanks,

-dave dennis
dmd@speakeasy.org

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Chris Faylor wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:52:56AM +0200, Jorge Andreu Garc?a wrote:
> >Where can I find a Tcl/Tk version compatible with cygwin? I have heard
> >that the last one (8.x) are not compatible.
> 
> The cygwin web site would be a really good place to start.
> 
> Look in one of the mirrors for the source.
> 
> cgf
> 
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