* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-11 8:26 ` how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app? atom
2001-12-28 7:02 ` few more questions Robert Collins
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From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Collins; +Cc: cygwin
Robert Collins wrote:
> IIRC it is in the ESR document. Hmm.
Well, he says hackers don't like open-ended time sinks. He also says
subject lines should be descriptive. But I *don't* see where he says that
a single message should not contain multiple questions. Wanna give me the
section reference where he says that?
--Chuck
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* few more questions
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 Gokhan Kisacikoglu
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Gerrit P. Haase
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
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From: Gokhan Kisacikoglu @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: "Gerrit P. Haase"
Hi Gerrit,
The last time I sent an email to the list, there were few people who got
offended by my simple questions, so I wanted to ask you few simple questions
in private as you seem to know what you are doing...
I'd appreciate if you could give me some hints about these, so here they
are;
1) I am running tcsh now and I am using Win98 (I know this might be the
origin of several problems, I will upgrade during the thanksgiving weekend);
The bindkey lists that my arrow keys are already mapped to list the history
and to navigate through the line;
% bindkey -a
Arrow key bindings
down -> down-history
up -> up-history
left -> backward-char
right -> forward-char
But it doesn't work. Do you know a solution for this, most of the other
bindings that used to use on my unix box works fine though.
2) The shell hangs if I do the following;
%env | grep PATH
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin:/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS:
/cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/COMMAND:/cygdrive/c:/cygdrive/c/CDROM
So, It would do the job properly, but I have to CTRL+C it after a long wait
which would kill the tcsh session as well, in other words it simply hangs
and it will never get back to the cursor.
or;
%ls | cat
./
../
.bash_history
.history
.tcshrc
bindings
and it hangs until I stop it with CTRL+C, and then CTLC+C terminates the
shell session as well. So, the problem is not specific to grep apparently.
I am guessing this is a very basic problem and it would be immediately
detected by others, so do you know a solution to this problem?
3) My Microsoft compiler is installed under;
set VISUALC = 'C:/Program\ Files/Microsoft\ Visual\ Studio/VC98'
However, none of the Makefile utilities (make, jam) were able
to process this path due to the space characters in it, I tried using the
single quotes etc, but I couldn't get it to work.
Then I decided to create a symbolic link to avoid the complicated
path situation, but I am getting the following strange results;
%ln -s "$VISUALC" visualc # the link
%ls -l #check the link
lrwxrwxrwx visualc -> c:/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio/VC98/
%ls visualc #this works fine
./ ATL/ CRT/ Include/ MFC/ READMEVC.HTM Setup/ VC98@
../ Bin/ INSTALL.HTM Lib/ MSCREATE.DIR REDIST.TXT Tutorial/
%cd visualc #this fails!!!
visualc: No such file or directory.
%ls visualc/Bin/CL.EXE #this works
visualc/Bin/CL.EXE*
%visualc/Bin/CL.EXE #this fails again!!!
visualc/Bin/CL.EXE: Command not found.
So, do you know why this is happening or can you suggest me another way? is
the only solution to reinstall the compiler on a different path?!?
I would appreciate if you can answer even to few of these and do you think
it is worth sending this message to the cygwin list?
Thanks in advance,
-kisa
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* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Christopher Faylor
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins
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From: Christopher Faylor @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 05:56:02PM -0500, Charles Wilson wrote:
>"Don't post multiple questions in a single message, unless they are
>intrinsically and tightly related. By doing so, your subject line no
>longer specifically describes the contents of the message, unless you use
>generic and nondescriptive subject lines like "A few more questions" or
>"Multiple questions about Linux". This reduces the likelihood that anyone
>will bother reading your message, much less answer it -- remember, hackers
>are generally allergic to what they percieve as open-ended time sinks. It
>also reduces the likelihood that anyone other than you will benefit from
>the answers -- since the content is hidden behind a non-deswcriptive
>subject. This again lowers the incentive for anyone to answer your query."
You should send this to him, Chuck. It's a good observation.
cgf
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* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 few more questions Gokhan Kisacikoglu
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Gerrit P. Haase
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
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From: Gerrit P. Haase @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin, Gokhan Kisacikoglu
Hallo Gokhan,
Am 2001-11-18 um 23:40 schriebst du:
> 1) I am running tcsh now and I am using Win98 (I know this might be the
...
> But it doesn't work. Do you know a solution for this, most of the other
> bindings that used to use on my unix box works fine though.
Sorry, I don't use tcsh, I just know how to invoke it.
> 2) The shell hangs if I do the following;
...
Which shell? I suggest to use rxvt instead of command.com.
> 3) My Microsoft compiler is installed under;
> set VISUALC = 'C:/Program\ Files/Microsoft\ Visual\ Studio/VC98'
> However, none of the Makefile utilities (make, jam) were able
> to process this path due to the space characters in it, I tried using the
> single quotes etc, but I couldn't get it to work.
Spaces in PATHS are a bad invention.
> So, do you know why this is happening or can you suggest me another way? is
> the only solution to reinstall the compiler on a different path?!?
Try to use mount. Start with 'mount --help'. There is lot of information
about mount in the user guide at cygwin.com, and also in the ML archives.
Ciao,
Gerrit P. Haase mailto:gp@familiehaase.de
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* how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app?
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` atom
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
2001-12-28 7:02 ` few more questions Robert Collins
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From: atom @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
hi ,all:
i compile gdb-5.0 with cgywin-2.78.2.3, i modefy the gdb's source to register SIGINT signal successfuly. and it can work in pure command.
but if i run gdb with GUI,i find that it can't get keyboard input at all.then how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app?
thanks
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* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Christopher Faylor
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Robert Collins
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
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From: Robert Collins @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
IIRC it is in the ESR document. Hmm.
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Faylor" <cgf@redhat.com>
To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: few more questions
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 05:56:02PM -0500, Charles Wilson wrote:
> >"Don't post multiple questions in a single message, unless they are
> >intrinsically and tightly related. By doing so, your subject line no
> >longer specifically describes the contents of the message, unless you use
> >generic and nondescriptive subject lines like "A few more questions" or
> >"Multiple questions about Linux". This reduces the likelihood that
anyone
> >will bother reading your message, much less answer it -- remember,
hackers
> >are generally allergic to what they percieve as open-ended time sinks.
It
> >also reduces the likelihood that anyone other than you will benefit from
> >the answers -- since the content is hidden behind a non-deswcriptive
> >subject. This again lowers the incentive for anyone to answer your
query."
>
> You should send this to him, Chuck. It's a good observation.
>
> cgf
>
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* Re: how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app?
2001-11-11 8:26 ` how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app? atom
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
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From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
atom wrote:
> hi ,all:
> i compile gdb-5.0 with cgywin-2.78.2.3, i modefy the gdb's source to register SIGINT signal successfuly. and it can work in pure command.
> but if i run gdb with GUI,i find that it can't get keyboard input at all.then how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app?
>
> thanks
>
Is this some sort of a joke? In the same thread where we're
discussing the "How To Ask Smart Questions"(*) document, atom
violates at least four of its rules without even trying?
1) replying to an existing thread with a totally unrelated subject
2) long, non-wrapped lines
3) demonstrate ignorance immediately -- "cygwin-2.78.2.3" ?
4) extremely poor grammar
(*) granted, the thread has drifted from it's "A few more questions"
subject line; somebody (probably me) should've changed the subject
line along the way, but still...
--Chuck
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* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 few more questions Gokhan Kisacikoglu
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Gerrit P. Haase
@ 2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Christopher Faylor
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From: Charles Wilson @ 2001-11-11 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gokhan Kisacikoglu; +Cc: "Gerrit P. Haase"
Kisa,
You really should be more careful. Gerrit's private email address is not
"cygwin@cygwin.com". He has set his reply-to address to the list, because
he wants ALL cygwin related communication -- even that directed at him --
to go thru the list.
> I would appreciate if you can answer even to few of these and do you
> think it is worth sending this message to the cygwin list?
Too late. :-)
You need to read this:
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
specifically, this part:
> Any question that's good enough to be asked of one developer will also
> be of value to the whole group. Contrariwise, if you think that your
> question is too dumb for a mailing list, it's not an excuse to harass
> individual developers.
Ya know, I just rescanned ESR's smart-questions document, and he left out
one thing:
"Don't post multiple questions in a single message, unless they are
intrinsically and tightly related. By doing so, your subject line no
longer specifically describes the contents of the message, unless you use
generic and nondescriptive subject lines like "A few more questions" or
"Multiple questions about Linux". This reduces the likelihood that anyone
will bother reading your message, much less answer it -- remember, hackers
are generally allergic to what they percieve as open-ended time sinks. It
also reduces the likelihood that anyone other than you will benefit from
the answers -- since the content is hidden behind a non-deswcriptive
subject. This again lowers the incentive for anyone to answer your query."
--Chuck
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* Re: few more questions
2001-11-11 8:26 ` Charles Wilson
2001-11-11 8:26 ` how to get keyboard input in cygwin GUI app? atom
@ 2001-12-28 7:02 ` Robert Collins
2001-12-28 7:23 ` Robert Collins
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From: Robert Collins @ 2001-12-28 7:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Charles Wilson; +Cc: cygwin
Just cleaning up my mailbox, found this unansewered...
I took the single question pre mail as a corollary to
"Use meaningful, specific subject headers". If you have two questions(*)
then a meaningful specific subject header becomes much less likely.
(*) Questions in the sense of a group of tightly bound statements and
requests, not in the sense of a single sentence with a '?' tacked on the
end.
Rob
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To: "Robert Collins" <robert.collins@itdomain.com.au>
Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: few more questions
> Robert Collins wrote:
>
> > IIRC it is in the ESR document. Hmm.
>
>
> Well, he says hackers don't like open-ended time sinks. He also says
> subject lines should be descriptive. But I *don't* see where he says
that
> a single message should not contain multiple questions. Wanna give me
the
> section reference where he says that?
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
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* Re: few more questions
2001-12-28 7:02 ` few more questions Robert Collins
@ 2001-12-28 7:23 ` Robert Collins
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From: Robert Collins @ 2001-12-28 7:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Collins, Charles Wilson; +Cc: cygwin
Answering my own comment...
Digging back into the thread for completeness, Chris suggested you send
your one-question per email assertion to ESR for inclusion. I concur,
because while it's an obvious corollary to a hacker, it's likely to be
non obvious to those who will gain the most benefit from the essay in
the first place.
Rob
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From: "Robert Collins" <robert.collins@itdomain.com.au>
To: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: few more questions
> Just cleaning up my mailbox, found this unansewered...
>
> I took the single question pre mail as a corollary to
> "Use meaningful, specific subject headers". If you have two
questions(*)
> then a meaningful specific subject header becomes much less likely.
>
> (*) Questions in the sense of a group of tightly bound statements and
> requests, not in the sense of a single sentence with a '?' tacked on
the
> end.
>
> Rob
>
> ===
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Wilson" <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu>
> To: "Robert Collins" <robert.collins@itdomain.com.au>
> Cc: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: few more questions
>
>
> > Robert Collins wrote:
> >
> > > IIRC it is in the ESR document. Hmm.
> >
> >
> > Well, he says hackers don't like open-ended time sinks. He also
says
> > subject lines should be descriptive. But I *don't* see where he
says
> that
> > a single message should not contain multiple questions. Wanna give
me
> the
> > section reference where he says that?
> >
> > --Chuck
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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