Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Pawel Czechowicz]

Hi,

This issue really drives me mad:

Description:
I ssh form an unix machine (LOCAL) to cygwin machine that runs Windows 
2000 (REMOTE). I then run nmake (Visual C++) on REMOTE. nmake, in turn 
spawns several processess (one by one) to compile a VC++ project.

Problem:
As each process is spawned a new cmd console appears ON THE SCREEN of 
the REMOTE machine. The status/result of compilation is printed on this 
very console. Then the cmd console is automatically closed. Nothing is 
printed on my local console.

In this situaltion I am practically unable to work remotely as I don't 
see any warnings/errors produced by VC++ compiler.

Question:
Is there a way to force the output to a parent console?

Note:
The above scenario worked perfectly (well, nearly... despite Ctrl-C ;-) 
) for me under Windows NT.


Thank you very much in advance for all your help.

Pawel Czechowicz


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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:44:03PM +0200, Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
>This issue really drives me mad:

You should DEFINITELY ask for a refund, then.

cgf

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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Pawel Czechowicz]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:44:03PM +0200, Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
> 
>>This issue really drives me mad:
>>
> 
> You should DEFINITELY ask for a refund, then.

Well, obviously this is very funny!

Do you think that I want to use this crappy Window$ stuff? No, I am 
forced to! This OS was bought for me by my employer and I am obliged to 
be happy with it!!! The same with VC++ and so on.

THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP!

Regards,
Pawel



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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Charles Wilson]

Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:44:03PM +0200, Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
>>
>>> This issue really drives me mad:
>>>
>>
>> You should DEFINITELY ask for a refund, then.
> 
> 
> Well, obviously this is very funny!

Yes, it was funny.  *WE* make you mad because we provided software to 
you gratis, the does almost everything you want -- except for one thing: 
redirecting the output of non-cygwin processes thru a cygwin tty.  (read 
that again: redirecting a NON-cygwin process...)

Seems a rather ungrateful response, to me.  cgf's humorous reply was a 
way of pointing out that you usually catch more flies with honey than 
vinegar.  How about:

(a) I have a problem.  Here's the description.  Can anyone explain why 
it is happening, and suggest a solution.  I have searched the relevant 
mailing list archives, and found the following responses: <url> <url>, 
but as you can see, they do not directly address my problem.

instead of

(b) You guys suck!  I'm angry!  I spent all day downloading cygwin and 
it doesn't do what I want!  FIX IT!!!  NOW!

(Honestly, your question was closer to (a) than to (b), but the "This 
really makes me mad!" is rather accusatory, and changes the whole tone 
of your message)

> 
> Do you think that I want to use this crappy Window$ stuff? No, I am 
> forced to! This OS was bought for me by my employer and I am obliged to 
> be happy with it!!! The same with VC++ and so on.
> 
> THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP!

No need for SCREAMING.  What is the output of 'cygcheck -s -v -r'?  What 
is your CYGWIN variable set to?  Have you tried with CYGWIN=... 
containing tty and not containing tty?

--Chuck


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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Shankar Unni]

Charles Wilson wrote:

> (b) You guys suck!  I'm angry!  I spent all day downloading cygwin and 
> it doesn't do what I want!  FIX IT!!!  NOW!


Now, now.. He didn't say that, or even anything even remotely like that..

I think we have a major cultural divide (a chasm!) here. In other parts 
of the world, "mad" is used to signify "crazy", not "angry"; that's a 
pure Americanism. Pavel's just saying:

   - Here's something that's driving me *crazy*
   - Here are the symptoms
   - It used to work on WinNT.
   - Help!

That's all he said, and he was really polite about it, too. Please go 
easy on him.. (At least Chris' comment was helpful, though it doesn't 
explain why it worked on WinNT and not on Win2K, unless Pavel was using 
some other setup on NT..)

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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Shankar Unni]

Charles Wilson wrote:

> (b) You guys suck!  I'm angry!  I spent all day downloading cygwin and 
> it doesn't do what I want!  FIX IT!!!  NOW!


Now, now.. He didn't say that, or even anything even remotely like that..

I think we have a major cultural divide (a chasm!) here. In other parts 
of the world, "mad" is used to signify "crazy", not "angry"; that's a 
pure Americanism. Pavel's just saying:

   - Here's something that's driving me *crazy*
   - Here are the symptoms
   - It used to work on WinNT.
   - Help!

That's all he said, and he was really polite about it, too. Please go 
easy on him.. (At least Chris' comment was helpful, though it doesn't 
explain why it worked on WinNT and not on Win2K, unless Pavel was using 
some other setup on NT..)

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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Andrew Markebo]

| 
| Do you think that I want to use this crappy Window$ stuff? No, I am
| forced to! This OS was bought for me by my employer and I am obliged
| to be happy with it!!! The same with VC++ and so on.
| 
| THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP!

Well nmake is the problem, ask microsoft ;-)  BTW What operations is
it that nmake fires up in new windows?? (when it calls notepad to edit
a file or :-) ?)

Ideas.. 

* Use gmake instead of nmake

* How does win2k telnet handle stuff like this?

* use vnc instead of cygwin to work remotely, you will get the
graphics and so on, but nmake will be run in its home and cosy
environment, not some weird shell.. ;-)

        /Andy

p.s. vnc http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[egor duda]

Hi!

Friday, 17 May, 2002 Pawel Czechowicz pczechowicz@cetelem.pl wrote:

PC> Do you think that I want to use this crappy Window$ stuff? No, I am
PC> forced to! This OS was bought for me by my employer and I am obliged to 
PC> be happy with it!!! The same with VC++ and so on.

PC> THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP!

there's absolutely no need for shouting.

you may want to take a look at http://ns.logos-m.ru/~deo/ttyfier.html

Egor.            mailto:deo@logos-m.ru ICQ 5165414 FidoNet 2:5020/496.19


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Re: Annoying cmd console spawn with remote access and Win 2000

[Pawel Czechowicz]

Hi Charles,

 > Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
 >
 >> Christopher Faylor wrote:
 >>
 >>> On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:44:03PM +0200, Pawel Czechowicz wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> This issue really drives me mad:
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>> You should DEFINITELY ask for a refund, then.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Well, obviously this is very funny!
 >

  >

 > Yes, it was funny.  *WE* make you mad because we provided software to
 > you gratis, the does almost everything you want -- except for one thing:
 > redirecting the output of non-cygwin processes thru a cygwin tty.  (read
 > that again: redirecting a NON-cygwin process...)


Don't be too angry Charles! I am sorry, I did not make myself completely
clear and you misinterpreted my intentions. I am extremely grateful to
the whole cygwin community for providing such an excellent suite to help
many people SURVIVE in that hated Micro$oft environment :-)
What I was angry at, (mad, crazy and so on ;-) (look at Shankar Unni's
post - thank you Shankar :-)) was that some new 'inventions' of MS
Window$ break completely some well prepared basics of a stable
environment (aka cygwin). I bet there is a switch, registry entry or
some such to make this particular Windoze 2000 behave correctly, but
where to look for it is another question ;-).

I just hoped there was somebody who encountered a similar problem,
that's all. I do not like the idea of asking Micro$oft because the reply
   I am going to receive will be 'stop using cygwin, use DevStudio instead'.

 >
 > Seems a rather ungrateful response, to me.  cgf's humorous reply was a
 > way of pointing out that you usually catch more flies with honey than
 > vinegar.  How about:
 >
 > (a) I have a problem.  Here's the description.  Can anyone explain why
 > it is happening, and suggest a solution.  I have searched the relevant
 > mailing list archives, and found the following responses: <url> <url>,
 > but as you can see, they do not directly address my problem.
 >
 > instead of
 >
 > (b) You guys suck!  I'm angry!  I spent all day downloading cygwin and
 > it doesn't do what I want!  FIX IT!!!  NOW!


I never did it ;-) I like cygwin and never said a word against it :-)

 >
 > (Honestly, your question was closer to (a) than to (b), but the "This
 > really makes me mad!" is rather accusatory, and changes the whole tone
 > of your message)


I never meant to be offence anyone ;-) Cultural clash? :-)

 >
 >>
 >> Do you think that I want to use this crappy Window$ stuff? No, I am
 >> forced to! This OS was bought for me by my employer and I am obliged
 >> to be happy with it!!! The same with VC++ and so on.
 >>
 >> THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP!
 >
 >
 > No need for SCREAMING.  What is the output of 'cygcheck -s -v -r'?  What
 > is your CYGWIN variable set to?  Have you tried with CYGWIN=...
 > containing tty and not containing tty?
 >


Thanks for the above ideas, that's something :-).
BTW regardless of setting or not CYGWIN to tty the behaviour is the same.

Regards,
Pawel Czechowicz



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