Setup freezes installing from local dir

Setup freezes installing from local dir

[Huijing Zhou]

First I ran Cygwin Setup, chose "Download from Internet" and selected 
"z:\cygwin" as "Local Package Directory". The download ended without an 
error. Then I ran Setup again and chose to "Install from Local 
Directory", again "z:\cygwin" as "Local Package Directory", and Setup 
froze after initiating the the next step titled "Progress".

Since it's not clear what "Local Package Directory" I should use, I ran 
Setup again and this time selected "z:\cygwin\http%3a%2f%2f...", where 
"setup.ini" and "release" are located. Still Setup froze the same way.

I got the same problem over half a year ago, and I gave up that time. I 
did not have this kind of problem back when Setup did not create 
subdirectories like "http%3a%2f%2f...".

What is supposed to be the "Local Package Directory"? The one you 
specified when downloading, or its "http%3a%2f%2f..." subdirectory? It's 
confusing, and I strongly suggest to make Setup state it clearly while 
installing from local dir.

Huijing

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CIP Computer Lab, Faculty of Economics
University of Karlsruhe, Germany
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Re: Setup freezes installing from local dir

[cygwin]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 11:22:27PM +0100, Huijing Zhou wrote:
>First I ran Cygwin Setup, chose "Download from Internet" and selected 
>"z:\cygwin" as "Local Package Directory". The download ended without an 
>error. Then I ran Setup again and chose to "Install from Local 
>Directory", again "z:\cygwin" as "Local Package Directory", and Setup 
>froze after initiating the the next step titled "Progress".
>
>Since it's not clear what "Local Package Directory" I should use, I ran 
>Setup again and this time selected "z:\cygwin\http%3a%2f%2f...", where 
>"setup.ini" and "release" are located. Still Setup froze the same way.

It's not clear why you would think that you'd have to change your answer
the second time around either.  If you specified z:\cygwin the first time
then it should be fairly obvious that you should specific z:\cygwin the
second time.

In any event, I suspect that in this case "freezes" probably means
"didn't wait long enough".  It can take setup a little while to digest
the information in the local directory if you've downloaded a number of
packages.  So, you should wait a few minutes (depending on the speed
of your computer) before concluding that setup is hung.

>I got the same problem over half a year ago, and I gave up that time. I 
>did not have this kind of problem back when Setup did not create 
>subdirectories like "http%3a%2f%2f...".

You don't have to worry about what kind of directories setup creates,
actually.  Just use the same directory for each invocation.

>What is supposed to be the "Local Package Directory"? The one you 
>specified when downloading, or its "http%3a%2f%2f..." subdirectory? It's 
>confusing, and I strongly suggest to make Setup state it clearly while 
>installing from local dir.

setup does state it clearly.  It should default to the directory that
you used the first time you downloaded.  If that isn't a big enough hint
for you then hopefully this email makes it clear.

cgf

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Re: Setup freezes installing from local dir

[Huijing Zhou]

> It's not clear why you would think that you'd have to change your answer
> the second time around either.  If you specified z:\cygwin the first time
> then it should be fairly obvious that you should specific z:\cygwin the
> second time.

I thought so because I was familar to the old Setup in which I chose the 
directory containing the "setup.ini".

> In any event, I suspect that in this case "freezes" probably means
> "didn't wait long enough".  It can take setup a little while to digest
> the information in the local directory if you've downloaded a number of
> packages.  So, you should wait a few minutes (depending on the speed
> of your computer) before concluding that setup is hung.

You are right. I just had to wait. Still I would prefer Setup showing 
some signs of life, or at least pre-warn the user it would act like 
freezing now. Since if Task Manager says Setup is "Not responding", most 
user would believe Setup is dead.

> You don't have to worry about what kind of directories setup creates,
> actually.  Just use the same directory for each invocation.

Sometimes for some reason I renamed the lengthy "http%3a%2f%2f..." 
directory to something shorter. Is that allowed? Would Setup still find 
the subdirectory or does it only look for "http...", "ftp..." etc.? Is 
is even allowed to move "setup.ini" and "release" to the same directory 
with "setup.exe" and delete the "http%3a%2f%2f..."?

> setup does state it clearly.  It should default to the directory that
 > you used the first time you downloaded.

Where? Setup shows the same explaining text whether you chose "Install 
from Internet", "Download from Internet" or "Install from Local 
Directory". I think different, case specific texts would be better.

 > If that isn't a big enough hint for you then hopefully this email makes
 > it clear.

In fact your mail does. Thanks a lot.

Huijing

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CIP Computer Lab, Faculty of Economics
University of Karlsruhe, Germany
http://www2.wiwi.uni-karlsruhe.de


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Re: Setup freezes installing from local dir

[Randall R Schulz]

Huijing,

At 16:08 2002-11-02, Huijing Zhou wrote:
>>It's not clear why you would think that you'd have to change your answer 
>>the second time around either.  If you specified z:\cygwin the first time 
>>then it should be fairly obvious that you should specific z:\cygwin the 
>>second time.
>
>I thought so because I was familar to the old Setup in which I chose the 
>directory containing the "setup.ini".
>
>>In any event, I suspect that in this case "freezes" probably means 
>>"didn't wait long enough".  It can take setup a little while to digest 
>>the information in the local directory if you've downloaded a number of 
>>packages.  So, you should wait a few minutes (depending on the speed of 
>>your computer) before concluding that setup is hung.
>
>You are right. I just had to wait. Still I would prefer Setup showing some 
>signs of life, or at least pre-warn the user it would act like freezing 
>now. Since if Task Manager says Setup is "Not responding", most user would 
>believe Setup is dead.

As we've discussed here before, even a fast computer can take quite a while 
(nearly 2 minutes on a wide SCSI drive and a fast CPU, if you have a full 
Cygwin package complement, e.g.). Furthermore, at this point there's little 
reason to believe there are any overt bugs in the latest release version of 
Cygwin Setup (namely, 2.249.2.5). Unless you have reason to believe you 
have other problems with your system that manifest themselves as programs 
hanging, you should simply sit tight and let Setup do its thing.

I think people would agree some sort of progress meter or activity display 
would be a good idea. But someone who posses the motivation, the skill and 
the time to add such a feature will have to come forward, take the 
initiative and contribute the code if it's going to happen.


>>You don't have to worry about what kind of directories setup creates, 
>>actually.  Just use the same directory for each invocation.
>
>Sometimes for some reason I renamed the lengthy "http%3a%2f%2f..." 
>directory to something shorter. Is that allowed? Would Setup still find 
>the subdirectory or does it only look for "http...", "ftp..." etc.? Is is 
>even allowed to move "setup.ini" and "release" to the same directory with 
>"setup.exe" and delete the "http%3a%2f%2f..."?

That unsightly name is derived directly from the URL from which the 
installation packages are downloaded. If you rename your local repository, 
that directory won't be seen by Setup and Setup will behave as if it's 
downloading from that mirror for the first time (and create a directory of 
the same name as the one you renamed).

So no, it is not "allowed" to move that directory. Not if you want Setup to 
continue to use it.


>>setup does state it clearly.  It should default to the directory that you 
>>used the first time you downloaded.
>
>Where? Setup shows the same explaining text whether you chose "Install 
>from Internet", "Download from Internet" or "Install from Local 
>Directory". I think different, case specific texts would be better.
>
>>If that isn't a big enough hint for you then hopefully this email makes 
>>it clear.
>
>In fact your mail does. Thanks a lot.
>
>Huijing


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


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Re: Setup freezes installing from local dir

[Max Bowsher]

Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> wrote:

> I think people would agree some sort of progress meter or activity
> display would be a good idea. But someone who posses the motivation,
> the skill and the time to add such a feature will have to come
> forward, take the initiative and contribute the code if it's going to
> happen.

Its already there in CVS. Unfortunately, setup cvs HEAD has some other bugs,
which make it not possible to do a release at the moment.

Max.


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