From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2254 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2002 14:25:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 2219 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 14:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO antiochus-fe0.ultra.net) (146.115.8.188) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 14:25:51 -0000 Received: from enterprise-e.rfk.com (208-59-182-61.s1585.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [208.59.182.61]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with ESMTP id KAA27219; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020419100936.02a1f840@pop.ma.ultranet.com> X-Sender: lhall@pop.ma.ultranet.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:30:00 -0000 To: "Michael A Chase" , "George Hester" , From: "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 In-Reply-To: <02a701c1e743$f6a33240$2000a8c0@mchasecompaq> References: <4.3.1.2.20020418205817.02523098@pop.ma.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-SW-Source: 2002-04/txt/msg01009.txt.bz2 At 09:45 PM 4/18/2002, Michael A Chase wrote: >From: "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" >To: "George Hester" ; >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:09 >Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 > > > > At 10:25 AM 4/18/2002, George Hester wrote: > > >The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I > > >have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing > > >about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should >set. > > >Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do >not > > >want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? > > >Thanks. > >What didn't you like? It may have been fixed or you might not understand >the implications of some of your choices. > > > OK. I guess you just somehow missed this: > > > > http://www.cygwin.com/download.html > > > > That explains your options. Installing by a method other that setup is > > not really supported by this list however. BTW, there are no *required* > > settings beyond unpacking the software. But if you want any of the > > additions that setup gives you, that's another argument for just using > > setup. Of course, the source for setup is available if you'd just prefer > > to look at it to find out what it does. But you're right. There is no > > documentation that guides you through a manual install of Cygwin. It's > > assumed that if you don't use setup, you understand enough about what > > you're doing to just do it. Either that or you're the adventurous type. >;-) > > Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... > >There are some mount points that _must_ be created for Cygwin to work >reliable I quite disagree with this point. If it were true, it would be impossible to move a Cygwin executable and the DLL to a machine without a Cygwin install and have it work. This does work in the general case, though there are specific packages for which it won't without additional configuration (like the mount points you mentioned, mount type, environment variable settings, etc). But those are limited exceptions to the rule. >and many packages have postinstall scripts that should be run. Which can still be run manually if the user chooses. Setup automates the running of these but there is still nothing magical about them. >Setup.exe will take care of them for you. Without it you are on your own. > >I'm only mentioning these as a caution against what you seem to insist on >doing. Don't expect any support if you go against all advice. I fully agree with this. The above comments I made are really nits since I want to dispel the myth that setup does things that can't be done manually. Anyone really interested in installing "manually" can always look at what setup does and perform the same steps. My impression is that people looking to install "manually" are looking for a scriptable setup, of which there is already a start (thanks Rob). I'd recommend anyone who plans to put any time into creating their own automated installation to seriously consider adding to the capabilities of setup in this area. You'll leverage allot of work, make things easier for yourself and others, and gain something that is maintainable over time. Just my $.02. Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/