Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Elfyn McBratney]

Hi,

When you download the packages, put them on a cd, do you get problems
with the directories created by setup? This has caused problems for me
and others, FYI there's a thread either early this month or late last
month that goes into this a bit more called "How to make setup.exe
download everything".

Further on the installer's options they consist of:

  Install from Internet
  Download from Internet
  Install from Local Directory

You would use the latter option when you run setup on your machine and
the first when you download from work.

Lastly you said you installed in the root of a windows drive. This is
discouraged, although im not quite sure why, but it can be a pain if you
need to un-install. About the cygdrive prefix this is just default and
you can change where and how you access your windows drives by using
the `mount' command. For example typeing this at the bash shell you can
mount your C: drive as /sys:

  $ mkdir /sys
  $ mount -s C:\\ /sys

Not quite sure what the problem you've got with ActivePerl so you'll
need to give the people on the list an insight.

Elfyn
elfyn@exposure.org.uk


--- Dmitry Epstein <mitia@northwestern.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have Cygwin installed at work and I am now trying to install it at 
>home.  Since I have a slow connection there, what I usually do is download 
>the package at work, put it on a Zip or a CD-ROM, and then install from 
>disk at home.  But I am having problems with the latest version of the 
>installer.  Whenever I try to download the basic package (without changing 
>any options, because I have no idea how) I seem to end up with a 
>(different) incomplete set of files.  I've tried several download sites, 
>but the result is always the same: after installation Cygwin doesn't 
>function because some necessary files are missing (such as the bash shell 
>or some DLL).  I read the documentation, but it doesn't explain much about 
>the installer and its options.  Could someone please help me?
>
>In addition, if I try to install to the root directory, the installer 
>always crashes.  (Yes, I know that installing to the root directory is 
>discouraged, but because of the strange notation that Cygwin uses for drive 
>letters, installing to a directory other than root causes problems with 
>some programs, such as Active Perl.)
>
>Thanks,
>Dmitry
>
>
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Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 12:09 AM 12/15/2002, Elfyn McBratney wrote:
>Lastly you said you installed in the root of a windows drive. This is
>discouraged, although im not quite sure why, but it can be a pain if you
>need to un-install. 


See the FAQ for the reasoning behind this recommendation:

Why not install in C:\?
http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_2.html#SEC9



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Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Dmitry Epstein]

At 11:24 AM 12/16/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Why not use Cygwin perl?  Cygwin comes with a perfectly nice perl 5.8,
>which works at least as well as ActiveState's perl.  You could even
>associate Cygwin's perl with .pl files in Explorer, to completely replace
>ActivePerl.
>         Igor

ActivePerl has more pre-installed modules (I presume) plus a nice package 
manager.  And better support too.

Dmitry


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Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Dmitry Epstein wrote:

> [CDROM installation part snipped]
>
> >This is discouraged, although im not quite sure why, but it can be a
> >pain if you need to un-install.  About the cygdrive prefix this is just
> >default and you can change where and how you access your windows drives
> >by using the `mount' command.  For example typeing this at the bash
> >shell you can mount your C: drive as /sys:
> >
> >   $ mkdir /sys
> >   $ mount -s C:\\ /sys
>
> OK, suppose I installed Cygwin in D:\cygwin.  Can I somehow make D:\ the
> root directory?

The "root directory" is usually the one you installed Cygwin into.  You
could probably play games with mounts, making D:\ your /, and mounting
D:\cygwin\{bin|lib|usr|etc|something else I may have forgotten} under
/{bin|lib|usr|etc|et al}, but it might not be worth the trouble, and if
you keep any perl scripts in those directories, you'd still not see the
correct paths in ActivePerl.

> >Not quite sure what the problem you've got with ActivePerl so you'll
> >need to give the people on the list an insight.
>
> The problem is this: suppose I have a Perl script in a directory somewhere,
> and that directory is in my search path.  If I just type the name of the
> script, the shell will find it, read the shebang line, and try to pass the
> script to Perl.  When it does that it gives Perl the full path to the file,
> which in Cygwin parlance starts with /cygdrive/...  Active Perl, being a
> Windows application, doesn't understand that and says that it can't open
> the file.  I have asked about this before, but no one could suggest
> anything other than installing Cygwin in the root directory of a drive.

Why not use Cygwin perl?  Cygwin comes with a perfectly nice perl 5.8,
which works at least as well as ActiveState's perl.  You could even
associate Cygwin's perl with .pl files in Explorer, to completely replace
ActivePerl.
	Igor

> Thanks,
> Dmitry

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Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Dmitry Epstein]

At 11:17 AM 12/15/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:09:46 -0800 (PST)
>From: Elfyn McBratney <elfyn-cygwin@sickpuppy.co.uk>
>To: cygwin@cygwin.com
>Subject: Re: Problems downloading and installing the basic package
>Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com
>Message-Id: <20021215050946.3AFCC4017@sitemail.everyone.net>
>
>Hi,
>
>When you download the packages, put them on a cd, do you get problems
>with the directories created by setup? This has caused problems for me
>and others,

Hi, thanks for replying.  Yes, I did get problems when copying on CD-ROM, 
because the software couldn't handle the long directory name.  The name was 
truncated on the CD-ROM.  What I did was I copied the entire tree onto my 
HD at home, then renamed the install directory back to what it was supposed 
to be (found the name in the log file).  After that the install *seemed* to 
go fine.

>FYI there's a thread either early this month or late last
>month that goes into this a bit more called "How to make setup.exe
>download everything".

Thanks, I'll look for it.  But I am aware that the basic package that Setup 
is supposed to install by default is far from everything, nor do I need 
everything.  Basically I just use the shell and common Unix commands.


>Further on the installer's options they consist of:
>
>   Install from Internet
>   Download from Internet
>   Install from Local Directory
>
>You would use the latter option when you run setup on your machine and
>the first when you download from work.

Right, that's what I did.  But then there are further options for 
individual packages, which I don't really understand.

>Lastly you said you installed in the root of a windows drive.

No, I have two logical drives: one for Windows and one for everything else 
(including non-system applications).  That's where I wanted to install 
Cygwin, and in fact that's where I did install it before, with an earlier 
version of Cygwin installer.  But now when I try to install to D:\ the 
installer crashes (access violation).

>This is
>discouraged, although im not quite sure why, but it can be a pain if you
>need to un-install. About the cygdrive prefix this is just default and
>you can change where and how you access your windows drives by using
>the `mount' command. For example typeing this at the bash shell you can
>mount your C: drive as /sys:
>
>   $ mkdir /sys
>   $ mount -s C:\\ /sys

OK, suppose I installed Cygwin in D:\cygwin.  Can I somehow make D:\ the 
root directory?

>Not quite sure what the problem you've got with ActivePerl so you'll
>need to give the people on the list an insight.

The problem is this: suppose I have a Perl script in a directory somewhere, 
and that directory is in my search path.  If I just type the name of the 
script, the shell will find it, read the shebang line, and try to pass the 
script to Perl.  When it does that it gives Perl the full path to the file, 
which in Cygwin parlance starts with /cygdrive/...  Active Perl, being a 
Windows application, doesn't understand that and says that it can't open 
the file.  I have asked about this before, but no one could suggest 
anything other than installing Cygwin in the root directory of a drive.

Thanks,
Dmitry


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Problems downloading and installing the basic package

[Dmitry Epstein]

Hi,

I have Cygwin installed at work and I am now trying to install it at 
home.  Since I have a slow connection there, what I usually do is download 
the package at work, put it on a Zip or a CD-ROM, and then install from 
disk at home.  But I am having problems with the latest version of the 
installer.  Whenever I try to download the basic package (without changing 
any options, because I have no idea how) I seem to end up with a 
(different) incomplete set of files.  I've tried several download sites, 
but the result is always the same: after installation Cygwin doesn't 
function because some necessary files are missing (such as the bash shell 
or some DLL).  I read the documentation, but it doesn't explain much about 
the installer and its options.  Could someone please help me?

In addition, if I try to install to the root directory, the installer 
always crashes.  (Yes, I know that installing to the root directory is 
discouraged, but because of the strange notation that Cygwin uses for drive 
letters, installing to a directory other than root causes problems with 
some programs, such as Active Perl.)

Thanks,
Dmitry


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