Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x

Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x

[Jacek Piskozub]

After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export error. 
Because I use Windows Me, I do not obviously have any ntdll.dll. It 
seems the new perl was compiled for WindowsNT/2k/Xp only.

Regards,

Jacek Piskozub

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bug in w32api? (was: Re: Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x)

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Jacek Piskozub wrote:
> After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export error. 
> Because I use Windows Me, I do not obviously have any ntdll.dll. It 
> seems the new perl was compiled for WindowsNT/2k/Xp only.

A bug in w32api?

What says cygcheck for you?

Please note that on NT ntdll.dll looks up always:
$ cygcheck /usr/bin/cygwin1.dll
H:/bin/cygwin1.dll
   C:\WINNT\System32\ADVAPI32.DLL
     C:\WINNT\System32\ntdll.dll
     C:\WINNT\System32\KERNEL32.dll
     C:\WINNT\System32\USER32.dll
       C:\WINNT\System32\GDI32.dll
     C:\WINNT\System32\RPCRT4.dll

Mine is:
$ cygcheck usr/bin/cygperl5_8.dll
usr/bin/cygperl5_8.dll
   H:\bin\cygcrypt-0.dll
     H:\bin\cygwin1.dll
       C:\WINNT\System32\ADVAPI32.DLL
         C:\WINNT\System32\ntdll.dll
         C:\WINNT\System32\KERNEL32.dll
         C:\WINNT\System32\USER32.dll
           C:\WINNT\System32\GDI32.dll
         C:\WINNT\System32\RPCRT4.dll

$ cygcheck usr/bin/perl.exe
usr/bin/perl.exe
   usr/bin\cygperl5_8.dll
     H:\bin\cygcrypt-0.dll
       H:\bin\cygwin1.dll
         C:\WINNT\System32\ADVAPI32.DLL
           C:\WINNT\System32\ntdll.dll
           C:\WINNT\System32\KERNEL32.dll
           C:\WINNT\System32\USER32.dll
             C:\WINNT\System32\GDI32.dll
           C:\WINNT\System32\RPCRT4.dll


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Re: Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Jacek Piskozub wrote:

> After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export error. 

Which export is missing?


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Re: bug in w32api?

[Jacek Piskozub]

When the atom clock displayed 10/01/2005 21:27,  Gerrit P. Haase emitted 
the following byte stream:

> Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>
>> After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export 
>> error. Because I use Windows Me, I do not obviously have any 
>> ntdll.dll. It seems the new perl was compiled for WindowsNT/2k/Xp only.
>
>
> A bug in w32api?
>
> What says cygcheck for you? 

OK. I upgraded back to the bad new Perl, especially for you.

Here are the cygcheck results:

C:\WINDOWS>cygcheck perl
Found: C:\CYGWIN\BIN\perl.exe
C:/CYGWIN/BIN/perl.exe
  C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygperl5_8.dll
    C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygcrypt-0.dll
      C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygwin1.dll
        C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ADVAPI32.DLL
          C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.dll
  C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ntdll.dll

C:\WINDOWS>cygcheck cygperl5_8.dll
Found: C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygperl5_8.dll
C:/CYGWIN/BIN/cygperl5_8.dll
  C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygcrypt-0.dll
    C:\CYGWIN\BIN\cygwin1.dll
      C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ADVAPI32.DLL
        C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.dll

The offending export is directly from perl.exe, it seems.

The error pop-up says the same story:

The PERL.EXE file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:atoi

All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".

Jacek


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atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks (was: Re: bug in w32api?)

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Jacek Piskozub wrote:

> When the atom clock displayed 10/01/2005 21:27,  Gerrit P. Haase emitted 
> the following byte stream:
> 
>> Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>>
>>> After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export 
>>> error. Because I use Windows Me, I do not obviously have any 
>>> ntdll.dll. It seems the new perl was compiled for WindowsNT/2k/Xp only.
>>
>>
>>
>> A bug in w32api?

No.  It is the statically linked in Win32CORE extension.

> The offending export is directly from perl.exe, it seems.
> 
> The error pop-up says the same story:
> 
> The PERL.EXE file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:atoi
> 
> All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".

Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.


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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks (was: Re: bug in w32api?)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:02:07PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
>Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>
>>When the atom clock displayed 10/01/2005 21:27,  Gerrit P. Haase emitted 
>>the following byte stream:
>>
>>>Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>>>
>>>>After updating to perl 5.8.6-1 I got an missing ntdll.dll export 
>>>>error. Because I use Windows Me, I do not obviously have any 
>>>>ntdll.dll. It seems the new perl was compiled for WindowsNT/2k/Xp only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A bug in w32api?
>
>No.  It is the statically linked in Win32CORE extension.
>
>>The offending export is directly from perl.exe, it seems.
>>
>>The error pop-up says the same story:
>>
>>The PERL.EXE file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:atoi
>>
>>All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
>
>Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.

Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming from
the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?

cgf

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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks (was: Re: bug in w32api?)

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:

> Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>
> > When the atom clock displayed 10/01/2005 21:27,  Gerrit P. Haase emitted the
> > following byte stream:

Heh, I like this one... :-)

> [snip]
> > The offending export is directly from perl.exe, it seems.
> >
> > The error pop-up says the same story:
> >
> > The PERL.EXE file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:atoi
> >
> > All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
>
> Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.

Huh?  Isn't atoi part of newlib (libc.a)?  Why would it even go to
ntdll.dll?  Something's fishy here.
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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Christopher Faylor wrote:

>>>All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
>>
>>Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
> 
> 
> Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming from
> the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?

Yes, as it used to be, it is used all over the place in the perl
sources.  I'm a little clueless now.


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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Jacek Piskozub]

Gerritt,

>
> Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
>
I believe it is placed in MSVCRT.DLL. But we should use the cygwin 
version, anyway.

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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Jacek Piskozub]

Gerritt,

>
> Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
>

I compiled a one-liner with atoi() function using Visual Studio 6.

The resulting atoi.exe links only to kernel32.dll on WindowsME.

E:\Download>cygcheck c:\atoi.exe
e:/atoi.exe
   C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.dll

Jacek





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RE: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Keith Moore]

Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
>>>> All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
>> 
>> 
>> Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming
>> from the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?
> 
> Yes, as it used to be, it is used all over the place in the perl
> sources.  I'm a little clueless now. 

Is it possible the order of link libraries got rearranged in the new
version? That could do it.

KM

P.S. I've been lurking on this list for a long time. Greetings, all,
and thanks for cygwin!



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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes]

On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:22:11PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> >>>All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
> >>
> >>Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
> >
> >
> >Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming from
> >the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?
> 
> Yes, as it used to be, it is used all over the place in the perl
> sources.  I'm a little clueless now.

Did you verify that it was Win32CORE at fault by trying a perl built
without it?

Perl itself doesn't use atoi, nor does Win32CORE.xs.  I'm guessing
Win32CORE is calling a win32 routine that isn't fully supported
on win9x.  One of:

WideCharToMultiByte
CloseHandle
CopyFileA
CreateProcessA
FindClose
FindFirstFileA
FormatMessageA
FreeLibrary
GetComputerNameA
GetCurrentDirectoryA
GetDriveTypeA
GetFullPathNameA
GetLastError
GetProcAddress
GetShortPathNameA
GetTickCount
GetUserNameA
GetVersionExA
GetVolumeInformationA
LoadLibraryA
LookupAccountNameA
SetLastError
Sleep

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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:22:11PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> 
>>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming from
>>>the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?
>>
>>Yes, as it used to be, it is used all over the place in the perl
>>sources.  I'm a little clueless now.
> 
> 
> Did you verify that it was Win32CORE at fault by trying a perl built
> without it?

$ cat ext.libs
-L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 
-lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 
-lntdll

There it is:
$ cat ext/Win32CORE/hints/cygwin.pl
[...]
$self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr 
-lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid 
-lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
[...]

> Perl itself doesn't use atoi, nor does Win32CORE.xs.  I'm guessing
> Win32CORE is calling a win32 routine that isn't fully supported
> on win9x.  One of:

$ grep -r atoi *
[72 lines output]


Now the question is which of these libs can be removed and which needs
to stay?  I'll try to remove all of them at first since it seems that 
many of them are only used for specific extension modules.


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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes]

On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 01:23:06AM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:22:11PM +0100, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> >
> >>Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>All I needed to trigger it was "perl -V".
> >>>>
> >>>>Hmmm, atoi() is not available on Win98/ME?  Strange.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Why would perl be finding atoi in ntdll.dll?  It should be coming from
> >>>the cygwin DLL shouldn't it?
> >>
> >>Yes, as it used to be, it is used all over the place in the perl
> >>sources.  I'm a little clueless now.
> >
> >
> >Did you verify that it was Win32CORE at fault by trying a perl built
> >without it?
> 
> $ cat ext.libs
> -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 
> -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 
> -lntdll
> 
> There it is:
> $ cat ext/Win32CORE/hints/cygwin.pl
> [...]
> $self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr 
> -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid 
> -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
> [...]
> 
> >Perl itself doesn't use atoi, nor does Win32CORE.xs.  I'm guessing
> >Win32CORE is calling a win32 routine that isn't fully supported
> >on win9x.  One of:
> 
> $ grep -r atoi *
> [72 lines output]

Sorry, I was thinking of atof.  Anyway, Win32CORE.c doesn't use it.

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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Jacek Piskozub]

Gerritt wrote,

> There it is:
> $ cat ext/Win32CORE/hints/cygwin.pl
> [...]
> $self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
> [...]

> Now the question is which of these libs can be removed and which needs
> to stay?



I believe the real underlying cause is that /lib/w32api/libntdll.a 
contains a atoi function header (I see that in 
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/w32api/lib/ntdll.def?cvsroot=src 
together with a zillion other WinNT/2K/XP functions). This is wrong 
because Win9x have only a very limited set of functions in ntdll.dll.

Or, if you prefer, indiscriminate linking to ntdll.dll in all Windows 
versions is the actual culprit.

Jacek







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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Jacek Piskozub wrote:

> Gerritt wrote,
> 
>> There it is:
>> $ cat ext/Win32CORE/hints/cygwin.pl
>> [...]
>> $self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr 
>> -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid 
>> -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
>> [...]
> 
> 
>> Now the question is which of these libs can be removed and which needs
>> to stay?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I believe the real underlying cause is that /lib/w32api/libntdll.a 
> contains a atoi function header (I see that in 
> http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/w32api/lib/ntdll.def?cvsroot=src 
> together with a zillion other WinNT/2K/XP functions). This is wrong 
> because Win9x have only a very limited set of functions in ntdll.dll.

Yes, I thought it is a w32api bug at first too.  Who is the maintainer
of w32api?


> Or, if you prefer, indiscriminate linking to ntdll.dll in all Windows 
> versions is the actual culprit.


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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan 11 08:59, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
> Jacek Piskozub wrote:
> >Gerritt wrote,
> >>$self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr 
> >>-lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid 
> >>-lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
> >
> >>Now the question is which of these libs can be removed and which needs
> >>to stay?
> >
> >I believe the real underlying cause is that /lib/w32api/libntdll.a 
> >contains a atoi function header (I see that in 
> >http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/w32api/lib/ntdll.def?cvsroot=src 
> >together with a zillion other WinNT/2K/XP functions). This is wrong 
> >because Win9x have only a very limited set of functions in ntdll.dll.
> 
> Yes, I thought it is a w32api bug at first too.  Who is the maintainer
> of w32api?

The MingW team.  However, the symbols in ntdll.def are there already for
a long time and they are apparently ok even though it rolls up my toe nails.
Also, the fact that 9x has only a limited set of functions in this DLL
doesn't mean that the NT symbols shouldn't be present.

Explicit linking against ntdll is the problem here.  I guess the "right
thing" would be to link against -lcygwin first.


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Re: atoi() missing on Win98, perl extension breaks

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:03:19PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Jan 11 08:59, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
>>Jacek Piskozub wrote:
>>>Gerritt wrote,
>>>>$self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr
>>>>-lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid
>>>>-lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
>>>
>>>>Now the question is which of these libs can be removed and which needs
>>>>to stay?
>>>
>>>I believe the real underlying cause is that /lib/w32api/libntdll.a
>>>contains a atoi function header (I see that in
>>>http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/w32api/lib/ntdll.def?cvsroot=src
>>>together with a zillion other WinNT/2K/XP functions).  This is wrong
>>>because Win9x have only a very limited set of functions in ntdll.dll.
>>
>>Yes, I thought it is a w32api bug at first too.  Who is the maintainer
>>of w32api?
>
>The MingW team.  However, the symbols in ntdll.def are there already
>for a long time and they are apparently ok even though it rolls up my
>toe nails.  Also, the fact that 9x has only a limited set of functions
>in this DLL doesn't mean that the NT symbols shouldn't be present.
>
>Explicit linking against ntdll is the problem here.  I guess the "right
>thing" would be to link against -lcygwin first.

Or not explicitly linking against ntdll.  It will obviously be called in
if it is needed.

cgf

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Re: Perl 5.8.6

[Jacek Piskozub]

Reini Urban wrote:

 > Gerrit P. Haase schrieb:
 >> Why was this not a problem with 5.8.5 before including Win32CORE
 >> statically?

 > Don't remember.
 > But sorry, I'm very busy right now. Maybe tommorrow.
 > Have to write a simple WOID - webshop-in-one-day.

The reason has been already been resolved, I believe. As Gerrit wrote:

> There it is:
> $ cat ext/Win32CORE/hints/cygwin.pl
> [...]
> $self->{LIBS} = [q{ -L/lib/w32api -lnetapi32 -lwininet -lversion -lmpr -lodbc32 -lodbccp32 -lwinmm -lstdc++ -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -lcomctl32 -lgdi32 -lcomdlg32 -lntdll }];
> [...]

Take notice of the final library (-lntdll) being linked. This code comes 
from Win32CORE, so of course was not present in 5.8.5.

Regards,

Jacek


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WFM (Was: Re: Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x)

[Jacek Piskozub]

Hi,

Confirming that Perl 5.8.6-2 works for me on Windows Me.

Thanks  Gerrit!

Jacek

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Re: WFM (Was: Re: Missing ntdll.dll export with perl 5.8.6 om Win9x)

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Jacek Piskozub wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Confirming that Perl 5.8.6-2 works for me on Windows Me.
> 
> Thanks  Gerrit!

Thank you for confirming that it works ok now!

Gerrit
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