Re: Why I hate updates

Re: Why I hate updates

[Richard Foulk]

I've asked a few update related questions over the years and mostly
gotten
no answers.  I now update only occasionally and expect to have to reload
and reconfigure from time to time.

That's just the way it goes.  Setup doesn't even recover from failed
file transfers very well.  Often blows the whole system or causes
setup to be unable to run again, requiring a fresh install.  A setup
error *usually* means starting over from scratch.

Not a very production-friendly system.


Richard

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Re: Why I hate updates

[Wes S]

On 26 May 2008 at 13:56, Richard Foulk wrote:

> I've asked a few update related questions over the years and mostly
> gotten
> no answers.  I now update only occasionally and expect to have to reload
> and reconfigure from time to time.
> 
> That's just the way it goes.  Setup doesn't even recover from failed
> file transfers very well.  Often blows the whole system or causes
> setup to be unable to run again, requiring a fresh install.  A setup
> error *usually* means starting over from scratch.
> 
> Not a very production-friendly system.
> 

Well if it is important to you, you test an update on a parrellel 
system.  I do that at home as I once did at work.  Remember you are 
part of the effort and a beta tester.

No pain, no gain.

Wes



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Re: Why I hate updates

[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

Richard Foulk wrote:
> I've asked a few update related questions over the years and mostly
> gotten
> no answers.  I now update only occasionally and expect to have to reload
> and reconfigure from time to time.
> 
> That's just the way it goes.  Setup doesn't even recover from failed
> file transfers very well.  Often blows the whole system or causes
> setup to be unable to run again, requiring a fresh install.  A setup
> error *usually* means starting over from scratch.
> 
> Not a very production-friendly system.

I'd recommend reporting the details of problems you encounter with
"setup.exe", if nothing else.  It's always possible you're seeing a
bug that could be resolved with some effort.

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Re: Why I hate updates

[Stefan Scholl]

Eric Blake <ebb9@byu.net> wrote:
> One way - rerun setup.exe and choose a mirror that has caught up to the
> upstream reversion (in my testing, at least ftp://mirrors.kernel.org has
> done so; the rest will do so within 24 hours or so).

Thanks. Everything is OK again.


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Re: Why I hate updates

[Stefan Scholl]

Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@defaria.com> wrote:
> Stefan Scholl wrote:
>> Because Cygwin sometimes forces me to restart the whole system after I 
>> install an additional program, I have developed the habit of updating 
>> Cygwin every start of a work day.
> This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. It is true that if an 
> installation of Cygwin wants to overwrite a file that you currently have 
> loaded (e.g. Cygwin installs a new version of bash.exe and you're 
> running bash.exe) then you do have to reboot, once! You do not need to 
> update Cygwin everyday however. I fail to see why you thought this would 
> solve the problem you stated.

I don't have to restart during work, with multiple applications
open.


> And we can all see how this practice just 
> got you into a pickle.

Sure.


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Re: Why I hate updates

[Andrew DeFaria]

Stefan Scholl wrote:
> Because Cygwin sometimes forces me to restart the whole system after I 
> install an additional program, I have developed the habit of updating 
> Cygwin every start of a work day.
This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. It is true that if an 
installation of Cygwin wants to overwrite a file that you currently have 
loaded (e.g. Cygwin installs a new version of bash.exe and you're 
running bash.exe) then you do have to reboot, once! You do not need to 
update Cygwin everyday however. I fail to see why you thought this would 
solve the problem you stated. And we can all see how this practice just 
got you into a pickle.
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Re: Why I hate updates

[Eric Blake]

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According to Stefan Scholl on 5/26/2008 7:23 AM:
|> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2008-05/msg00180.html
|
| I'm a user. I haven't followed the mailing list. I start the
| setup.exe every workday and click through it.
|
| So, you are saying I should reinstall 1.5.25-12.

Yes.

|
| How do I do this with setup.exe? Delete everything? How can I
| select everything again that is selected now?

One way - rerun setup.exe and choose a mirror that has caught up to the
upstream reversion (in my testing, at least ftp://mirrors.kernel.org has
done so; the rest will do so within 24 hours or so).

The other way - rerun setup.exe, then click the 'View' button until Full
is shown, then scroll down to cygwin, then click the 'New' column until
1.5.25-12 shows.  In other words, intentionally downgrade cygwin back to
its last stable version.

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Re: Why I hate updates

[Stefan Scholl]

Eric Blake <ebb9@byu.net> wrote:
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> According to Stefan Scholl on 5/26/2008 12:21 AM:
> | /bin/xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory
> | cygwin warning:
> |   MS-DOS style path detected: c:\ruby\bin\inputrc.euro
> 
> Known bug.  Don't upgrade to cygwin 1.7.0 via setup.exe; the mirrors will
> be back to 1.5.25-11 in a while:
> 
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2008-05/msg00180.html

I'm a user. I haven't followed the mailing list. I start the
setup.exe every workday and click through it.

So, you are saying I should reinstall 1.5.25-12.

How do I do this with setup.exe? Delete everything? How can I
select everything again that is selected now?


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Re: Why I hate updates

[Eric Blake]

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According to Stefan Scholl on 5/26/2008 12:21 AM:
| /bin/xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory
| cygwin warning:
|   MS-DOS style path detected: c:\ruby\bin\inputrc.euro

Known bug.  Don't upgrade to cygwin 1.7.0 via setup.exe; the mirrors will
be back to 1.5.25-11 in a while:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2008-05/msg00180.html

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Why I hate updates

[Stefan Scholl]

/bin/xterm: Can't execvp /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory
cygwin warning:
  MS-DOS style path detected: c:\ruby\bin\inputrc.euro
  Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /cygdrive/c/ruby/bin/inputrc.euro
  CYGWIN environment variable option "nodosfilewarning" turns off this warning.
  Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths:
    http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames
bash-3.2$



I just want to use it. I don't have time to follow every detail
of the development.


Because Cygwin sometimes forces me to restart the whole system
after I install an additional program, I have developed the habit
of updating Cygwin every start of a work day.

I really hate it when things just break after an update.


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