From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20648 invoked by alias); 20 Jun 2008 12:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20639 invoked by uid 22791); 20 Jun 2008 12:38:24 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (HELO QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.56) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:37:46 +0000 Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gBtV1Z0010xGWP85603t00; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:37:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([67.166.125.73]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gCde1Z00C1b8C2B3YCdfeL; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:37:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m1fh78UlEP8A:10 a=GSTnJZJuZDoA:10 a=w_pzkKWiAAAA:8 a=xe8BsctaAAAA:8 a=FUV47LKIpOCwscaUTJIA:9 a=7jNVUgf1aVkRGdRT6cYA:7 a=qF2aLD-w9KFFw6wVz5dTeMaQysoA:4 a=eDFNAWYWrCwA:10 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 Message-ID: <485BA49A.7090109@byu.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:33:00 -0000 From: Eric Blake User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080421 Thunderbird/2.0.0.14 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter References: <485AFB14.9090400@gmail.com> <20080620095103.3892@blackhawk> <20080620005700.GB26573@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> <485B02D9.8050806@gmail.com> <000501c8d2c7$68afb690$2708a8c0@CAM.ARTIMI.COM> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2008-06/txt/msg00412.txt.bz2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [Please avoid http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#TOFU - don't top-post] [Please avoid feeding the spammers - http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR ] According to Mark J. Reed on 6/20/2008 6:23 AM: | Is there a ticketing/tracking system for Cygwin where one can submit | feature requests? I think having it documented in the system as | something more than someone's wishful email would be helpful. The mailing list archives are as good as anything else. You're forgetting something fundamental - this is a volunteer process, so unless someone volunteers to expend the resources to maintain a request tracking system, it won't be any more effective than list traffic. | | As far as improvements to setup.exe, I think the Cygwin team could | potentially save a lot of effort in the long term by porting and | adopting one of the Linux package managers in its place - apt or yum | or whatever. Read the archives. This has been repeatedly suggested, but no one has yet proposed how to solve the chicken-and-egg problem of how you get apt or yum first installed (how do you install cygwin1.dll with a program that depends on the existence of cygwin1.dll?). The reason setup.exe is the preferred installation program at the moment is because it is the only non-vaporware program that actually does the job of installing cygwin1.dll without depending on cygwin1.dll. All the talk in the world won't change that, and since no one has contributed code otherwise, it obviously doesn't bother anyone enough to be worth changing. Yes, in the open source community, patches speak louder than words. And one thing I've noticed is the fact that every time someone brings up this philosophy with the intent to complain about it, they are neglecting one other fact about open source - you get what you pay for. If you don't like the current behavior, but can't write the patch yourself, you are free to hire someone else to write the patch. With enough $$, you can probably find someone willing to spend the time to help you get your feature added. - -- Don't work too hard, make some time for fun as well! Eric Blake ebb9@byu.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Cygwin) Comment: Public key at home.comcast.net/~ericblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhbpJoACgkQ84KuGfSFAYDpsgCfZbxSV9yGx7LJIM5/2d2Wj36q m0EAn1zyCAqA2R+Tw/EJX/64iGja9fTi =oe0P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/