Suggestions to setup.exe

Suggestions to setup.exe

[Tony]

Hi. I just installed this package here which brought with it a ton of
dependancies. Why can't setup.exe, when I want to uninstall this
package, also uninstall all the dependancies? Please make the next
Cygwin release support "clean uninstalls".

Many thanks!

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Re: Suggestions to setup.exe

[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

On 4/2/2011 12:44 PM, Tony wrote:
> Hi. I just installed this package here which brought with it a ton of
> dependancies. Why can't setup.exe, when I want to uninstall this
> package, also uninstall all the dependancies? Please make the next
> Cygwin release support "clean uninstalls".

That's not as easy as it might initially sound.  Uninstalling all dependencies
might result in other utilities not working, since these dependencies could be
shared.  Determining the dependencies to install is easier than determining
those that are safe to uninstall.  So that's by way of explanation for why you
see the behavior you currently see from 'setup.exe' when uninstalling a
package.  That said, it is possible to figure out which dependencies could
safely be uninstalled.  That part of your request could be implemented in
the future.

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A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
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Re: Suggestions to setup.exe

[Andy Koppe]

On 3 April 2011 03:44, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
> On 4/2/2011 12:44 PM, Tony wrote:
>>
>> Hi. I just installed this package here which brought with it a ton of
>> dependancies. Why can't setup.exe, when I want to uninstall this
>> package, also uninstall all the dependancies? Please make the next
>> Cygwin release support "clean uninstalls".
>
> That's not as easy as it might initially sound.  Uninstalling all
> dependencies
> might result in other utilities not working, since these dependencies could
> be
> shared.  Determining the dependencies to install is easier than determining
> those that are safe to uninstall.  So that's by way of explanation for why
> you
> see the behavior you currently see from 'setup.exe' when uninstalling a
> package.  That said, it is possible to figure out which dependencies could
> safely be uninstalled.

It depends. ;)

When uninstalling a package, it sure makes sense to uninstall all the
packages that depend on it, since they would stop working anyway. So
for example, removing the libX11 runtime would be a quick way to
remove all X11 programs.

However, removing a package because an uninstalled package depends on
is not generally a good idea, even if no other package depends on it.
That's because the user might still require it, either directly or
perhaps through a program they've built from source. For example,
mintty depends on cygutils (for its postinstall script), but removing
mintty doesn't mean that the user no longer wants to run cygstart&Co.

Other package managers address this by keeping a record of which
packages were requested explicitly by the user and which were
installed implicitly as dependencies of other packages. Even then, the
user might come to depend on packages that were only installed
implicitly, so there's still scope for uninstalling packages
accidentally, but at least there's a simple remedy: explicitly request
such packages and it won't happen again.

In any case, improving support for uninstalling stuff isn't exactly a
new suggestion, and as usual, the real problem is:

http://www.cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI

Andy

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