Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

[L Anderson]

Call me slow to notice but I'm seeing more packages appearing with size 
? mark in the "View" window when I run cygwin setup.  Also, I notice 
that most, if not all the packages, seem to be related to source or 
libraries.  I've read the setup documentation, googled, and searched the 
mail list but can't seem to find as answer as to what's behind it.

Would someone in the know please tell me what causes it, what it means, 
and is it a problem?

Some of the entries I see are:

         skip Gnome     ?  atk 1.0: Acc. Toolkit library (sources)
         skip   Libs    ?  boost: Boost C++ libraries (source)
         Skip   X11     ?  cairo: Cross-dev. vec. grap. lib.(source)
1.0-2   Keep   Misc    ?  clear
1.2.0-1 Keep   Misc    ?  d
         Skip   Gnome   ?  dbus-glib: Freedsktp msg bus sys. (source)
         Skip   Devel,L.?  eventlog: Structured event logging library
         Skip   X11     ?  fltk_gdi: Fst Lgt Toolkit-GDI ver.(sources)

Additional Information:
- Installing updates from my own local release mirror updated today.
- Running Win XP Pro
- Running cygwin 1.7.16-1
- Setup.exe version 2.774
- Setup.ini shows setup-timestamp: 1343379014 and setup-version: 2.774.

Thanks,

Lowell Anderson


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Re: Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

[Aaron Schneider]

On 28/07/2012 6:56, L Anderson wrote:
> Call me slow to notice but I'm seeing more packages appearing with size
> ? mark in the "View" window when I run cygwin setup.  Also, I notice
> that most, if not all the packages, seem to be related to source or
> libraries.  I've read the setup documentation, googled, and searched the
> mail list but can't seem to find as answer as to what's behind it.
>
> Would someone in the know please tell me what causes it, what it means,
> and is it a problem?
>
> Some of the entries I see are:
>
>          skip Gnome     ?  atk 1.0: Acc. Toolkit library (sources)
>          skip   Libs    ?  boost: Boost C++ libraries (source)
>          Skip   X11     ?  cairo: Cross-dev. vec. grap. lib.(source)
> 1.0-2   Keep   Misc    ?  clear
> 1.2.0-1 Keep   Misc    ?  d
>          Skip   Gnome   ?  dbus-glib: Freedsktp msg bus sys. (source)
>          Skip   Devel,L.?  eventlog: Structured event logging library
>          Skip   X11     ?  fltk_gdi: Fst Lgt Toolkit-GDI ver.(sources)
>
> Additional Information:
> - Installing updates from my own local release mirror updated today.
> - Running Win XP Pro
> - Running cygwin 1.7.16-1
> - Setup.exe version 2.774
> - Setup.ini shows setup-timestamp: 1343379014 and setup-version: 2.774.
>
>

I think that happens because the packages you downloaded once are not 
present in the mirror you are getting the list from. Cygwin gets the 
size of a installed package from the present list that you get from the 
mirror. Try reinstalling and see what happens.

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Re: Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

[szgyg]

On 7/28/2012 6:56 AM, L Anderson wrote:
> Call me slow to notice but I'm seeing more packages appearing with size
> ? mark in the "View" window when I run cygwin setup. Also, I notice that
> most, if not all the packages, seem to be related to source or
> libraries. I've read the setup documentation, googled, and searched the
> mail list but can't seem to find as answer as to what's behind it.
>
> Would someone in the know please tell me what causes it, what it means,
> and is it a problem?

No, it isn't a problem. Those packages don't have any binary content, 
that's why setup.exe show ? as their size. We use them when more than 
one package is generated from the same upstream source, e.g. 
libsomething1, libsomething-devel and something-doc. In this case the 
package something, with "(source)" in its description, will contain the 
source, and the other packages will contain the binary stuff. What Aaron 
has described is another possible source of ? sizes, but then the 
packages would be in the Misc category, as setup.exe wouldn't have the 
category info either.

szgyg

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Re: Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

[Aaron Schneider]

On 28/07/2012 23:33, szgyg wrote:
> On 7/28/2012 6:56 AM, L Anderson wrote:
>> Call me slow to notice but I'm seeing more packages appearing with size
>> ? mark in the "View" window when I run cygwin setup. Also, I notice that
>> most, if not all the packages, seem to be related to source or
>> libraries. I've read the setup documentation, googled, and searched the
>> mail list but can't seem to find as answer as to what's behind it.
>>
>> Would someone in the know please tell me what causes it, what it means,
>> and is it a problem?
>
> No, it isn't a problem. Those packages don't have any binary content,
> that's why setup.exe show ? as their size. We use them when more than
> one package is generated from the same upstream source, e.g.
> libsomething1, libsomething-devel and something-doc. In this case the
> package something, with "(source)" in its description, will contain the
> source, and the other packages will contain the binary stuff. What Aaron
> has described is another possible source of ? sizes, but then the
> packages would be in the Misc category, as setup.exe wouldn't have the
> category info either.
>
> szgyg
>

Well, for that particular cases I would prefer showing 'dummy' instead 
of '?'. The question mark is prolific to make think that something is 
wrong or selectable, on the other case you see it's intentional.

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Re: Setup shows ? instead of size for some packages

[szgyg]

[keep it on the list, please]

On 7/30/2012 12:32 AM, L Anderson wrote:
> szgyg wrote:
>> On 7/28/2012 6:56 AM, L Anderson wrote:
>>> Call me slow to notice but I'm seeing more packages appearing with size
>>> ? mark in the "View" window when I run cygwin setup. Also, I notice that
>>
>> No, it isn't a problem. Those packages don't have any binary content,
>> that's why setup.exe show ? as their size. We use them when more than
>> one package is generated from the same upstream source, e.g.
>> libsomething1, libsomething-devel and something-doc. In this case the
>> package something, with "(source)" in its description, will contain the
>> source, and the other packages will contain the binary stuff. What Aaron
>> has described is another possible source of ? sizes, but then the
>> packages would be in the Misc category, as setup.exe wouldn't have the
>> category info either.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Another thing I noticed is that under the "New" column of
> setup.exe-View, the items are "Skip" where I haven't installed the
> source packages. In those cases, when I toggle the "Skip", the version
> numbers shows and the sizes are filled in and remain so even if I toggle
> back to "Skip".
>
> The case Aaron described is not my case because I use my own mirror and
> everything is there. So I guess I'm curious as to why source packages
> are not treated the same as binary packages when it comes to size.

A package consists of a binary and a source part (you can install them 
separately by ticking the checkboxes on the package selection dialog), 
and setup.exe shows size of the binary part by default, as usually this 
is what you want to install.

The split source packages are results of afterthought. They add another 
level of indirection by representing the source/binary distinction not 
only on the part level, but on the package level too. However, setup.exe 
knows nothing about this, so it can't handle those packages very well.

szgyg

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