From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14265 invoked by alias); 16 Aug 2012 22:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 14252 invoked by uid 22791); 16 Aug 2012 22:29:07 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,KHOP_PGP_SIGNED,KHOP_RCVD_TRUST,KHOP_THREADED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_YE X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (HELO mail-pb0-f43.google.com) (209.85.160.43) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:28:54 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so2161593pbb.2 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.85.71 with SMTP id f7mr5241500paz.5.1345156133390; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [219.92.175.163] (swz-175-163.tm.net.my. [219.92.175.163]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ox5sm3460418pbc.75.2012.08.16.15.28.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <502D741B.1010207@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:40:00 -0000 From: JonY User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080213 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Promote sqlite 3.7.13-1 from test status? References: <502C0B7D.10909@etr-usa.com> <20120816085016.GB5536@calimero.vinschen.de> <502CCBB1.2070600@etr-usa.com> <20120816105507.GD17546@calimero.vinschen.de> <502CE120.4050900@etr-usa.com> <20120816122654.GG17546@calimero.vinschen.de> <502D1967.7090705@etr-usa.com> <20120816160656.M21257@ds.net> <502D3A5C.7010500@etr-usa.com> In-Reply-To: <502D3A5C.7010500@etr-usa.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigABFEEF10BFB050C945474AD9" X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2012-08/txt/msg00400.txt.bz2 --------------enigABFEEF10BFB050C945474AD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 1797 On 8/17/2012 02:22, Warren Young wrote: > On 8/16/2012 10:34 AM, Brian Wilson wrote: >> >> Corina >=20 > Corinna. >=20 >> is correct, Cygwin is supposed to be a Posix compliant environment >=20 > It's also supposed to interoperate with native Windows programs. >=20 That's fine when it works, but that is not always the case. >> If you want to use Windoze tools, why are you using Cygwin? >=20 > First, instant 100 point credibility penalty for being puerile. >=20 > Second, the whole reason for using Cygwin is so you could have a > Linux/POSIX environment *on Windows.* If you have no need for Windows > programs and want a Cygwin-like environment, wouldn't you be running > Linux, or a BSD, or OS X, or Solaris, or...? >=20 So it's Cygwin's fault when a Windows program interferes with it? I still think Cygwin should prioritize compatibility with Cygwin programs, anything else is just icing on the cake. > Okay, so you come back saying something about how there should be some > Chinese Wall between the Cygwin and native Windows lands. In that case, > I recommend you install one of the above-named OSes in a VM. It'll be > faster and more featureful. >=20 In fact, yes, especially in places win32 clashes with POSIX implementation. I could go on and on about how they differ, for example BLODA, network API, file IO, symlink implementation, you've just seen one yourself. > I'm actually struggling to come up with a reason why you would *ever* > run Cygwin if you didn't ever want it to touch the native Windows side > of things, or vice versa. I guess it uses less RAM and starts up faster > than a VM.... Sure, a VM isn't always practical or even available, especially when byzantine IT policies is in place. For instance, I don't want a VM simply to use a Cygwin irc client. --------------enigABFEEF10BFB050C945474AD9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-length: 196 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAlAtdB4ACgkQp56AKe10wHfxGACbBApuufn2GUryfD/3rS88ZAqk JRYAn0boUwZ3cckPjeFHwvPZflO4QJ0i =zeYB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigABFEEF10BFB050C945474AD9--