From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31890 invoked by alias); 15 May 2014 17:48:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 31879 invoked by uid 89); 15 May 2014 17:48:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: vms173023pub.verizon.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (HELO vms173023pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.23) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 May 2014 17:48:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.231] ([unknown] [74.104.179.122]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N5M00BELMRUNZJ0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for cygwin@cygwin.com; Thu, 15 May 2014 12:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <5374FDCA.2020700@cygwin.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:48:00 -0000 From: "Larry Hall (Cygwin)" Reply-to: cygwin@cygwin.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Does /etc/profile need to set MANPATH? References: <53726A51.3010105@breisch.org> <20140513192457.GY2436@calimero.vinschen.de> <8738gc4810.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <20140515074942.GK2436@calimero.vinschen.de> <5374BCE5.7080609@breisch.org> <5374BE7D.70104@breisch.org> <20140515133939.GQ2436@calimero.vinschen.de> In-reply-to: <20140515133939.GQ2436@calimero.vinschen.de> Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2014-05/txt/msg00341.txt.bz2 On 05/15/2014 09:39 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On May 15 09:17, Chris J. Breisch wrote: >> Chris J. Breisch wrote: >>> Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>>> On May 14 18:52, Achim Gratz wrote: >>>>> Corinna Vinschen writes: >>>>>> Yes, this might be better discussed in cygwin-apps. I guess the setting >>>>>> of MANPATH is mainly historical. >>>>> I'd be happy to not set MANPATH in /etc/profile if we no longer need it >>>>> for the standard installation. >>>> >>>> I'm wondering if setting MANPATH was really ever required for the old >>>> man either. In a tcsh environment, MANPATH is not set by default. >>>> If you install the openssl package, MANPATH is set like this (in >>>> /etc/profile.d/openssh.csh): >>>> >>>> if ( ! $?MANPATH ) setenv MANPATH "" >>>> setenv MANPATH "${MANPATH}:/usr/ssl/man" >>>> >>>> which results in: >>>> >>>> $ echo $MANPATH >>>> :/usr/ssl/man >>>> >>>> I have neither problems to see the man pages in the default paths nor >>>> problems to see the openssl man pages. >>> >>> Well, /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/openssh.sh add a few more folders >>> to MANPATH in bash. If your man pages are working, then we probably >>> don't need MANPATH. >>> >>> I'm guessing though that if you unset MANPATH, you can't see the man >>> pages in /usr/ssl/man. The new man from man-db doesn't find them either, >>> however. >>> >>> But I think the proper solution to that is to add the appropriate lines >>> to man_db.conf rather than to force something into MANPATH. OTOH, we >>> already have the openssh.[c]sh files working, so maybe it's easier to >>> continue with that, rather than modifying the OpenSSL package to update >>> man_db.conf. >>> >> >> Or I could just add the values to man_db.conf, regardless of whether OpenSSL >> is installed. It's not going to hurt anything to have them there. > > You still have to be able to handle MANPATH. Unfortunately the man page > of man-db is a little tight-lipped on how MANPATH is handled exactly, > other than that "its value is used as the path to search for manual > pages." > > Whatever man does with MANPATH, it doesn't drop the default man paths, > apparently. > > [...time passes...] > > Hmm. Interesting enough, the current /etc/man.conf already contains > /usr/ssl/man. How long is it doing that already? If I had known that, > I'd removed the /etc/profile.d/openssl.* files long ago :| I'm not sure exactly but a quick look in the Cygwin email archives shows a reference from 2005 with it. We were very forward-thinking back then. ;-) -- Larry _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple