cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

All,

I've noticed on 2 different machines that if I copy (cp) a file I can
read with cygwin, I don't have permission to read the copy.

I don't recall that happening in that past.  If this was Linux I would
feel comfortable looking at umask, etc. to figure out what is going
on.  With cygwin I'm at a loss.

If someone can tell me what I have configured wrong, I'd really appreciate it.

fyi: I have a very vanilla install of cygwin on both machines.  I've
been using cygwin for many years and never noticed this before.  It
maybe an issue unique to Excel.

Here's a scenario I just went through:

1) Use Excel (2010 or 2013) to create a simple 2 column, 3 row table
and use "Save As" to save it as a CSV file name "Book1.csv"

2) verify it can be read via cygwin

$ cat Book1.csv
field1,field2
1,2
3,4

3) use cp to make a copy

cp Book1.csv fail.csv

4) try to read the copy and fail
$ cat fail.csv
cat: fail.csv: Permission denied

5) Verify the owner / UID / perms are the same

$ ls -l Book1.csv fail.csv
----rwx---+ 1 GAF None 25 Sep 23 18:45 Book1.csv
----rwx---+ 1 GAF None 25 Sep 23 18:46 fail.csv

$ ls -ln Book1.csv fail.csv
----rwx---+ 1 1006 513 25 Sep 23 18:45 Book1.csv
----rwx---+ 1 1006 513 25 Sep 23 18:46 fail.csv

They are, but there are extended attributes hiding behind the + sign.

6) Force the permissions and test again
$ chmod +rw fail.csv

$ cat fail.csv
field1,field2
1,2
3,4

======================

Bewildered,
Greg
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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

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Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
> 
> I've noticed on 2 different machines that if I copy (cp) a file I can
> read with cygwin, I don't have permission to read the copy.
---
	What does the acl say?

	(Attached a script, lsacl, that I use -- it works
with linux or cygwin and allows wildcards).


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#!/bin/bash 

## $Id: lsacl,v 1.5 2015-08-02 10:29:25-07 law Exp law $
# Version 2 -- try to work with getfacl on cygwin
#


shopt -s expand_aliases
alias int=declare\ -i		sub=function  string=declare

gfacl=$(type -P getfacl)

if ! type -f cygwin 2>/dev/null ; then
	_un_=$(type -P uname)
	if		[[ $_un_ ]] ; then _os_=$($_un_ -o);
	elif	[[ -e /proc/sys/kernel ]]; then _os_=Linux; 
	else	_os_=Cygwin; 
	fi
	if		[[ $_os_ =~ Cygwin ]]; then function cygwin () { return 0; }
	else	function cygwin () { return 1; }
	fi
	unset _un_ _os_
	export -f cygwin
fi

if cygwin 2>/dev/null ;then 
	[[ $gfacl ]] || { printf "FATAL: Cannot find getfacl in path\n"; exit 1; }
	sub gfacl () { "$gfacl" "$@"; }
else										## linux version has broken semantics requiring "-p"
	sub gfacl () { "$gfacl" -p "$@" ; }
fi

export -f gfacl


sub facl2str {
	string fn=${1:?"Need pathname"}
	string s1='/^\#.*$/d; /^\s*$/d; s/\s*#.*$//; s/^(.)(ser|roup|ask|ther):/\1:/; y/\n/,/'
	string facl=$(gfacl -a "$fn"|sed -r "$s1"|tr "\n" ",")
	facl=${facl%,}
	string dacl=$(gfacl -d "$fn"|sed -r "s/^default://; $s1"|tr "\n" ",")
	dacl=${dacl%,}
	printf "[%s/%s]\n" "$facl" "$dacl"
}



int acllen=0 maxfnln=0
#for fn in "$@" ; do if ((maxfnln<${#fn})); then maxfnln=${#fn}; fi ; done

sub acl_str () {
	if cygwin ;then 
		perm=$(facl2str "$fn")
	else 
		qfn=$(printf "%q " "$fn")
		out="$(chacl -l "$fn")"
		perm="${out#$qfn}"
	fi
	printf "%s\n" "$perm"
}


for fn in "$@"; do
	int max=40
	perm=$(acl_str "$fn")
	int len=${#perm}
	if ((len>_acl_len_)); then acllen=len; fi
	if ((acllen>max));		then acllen=max; fi
	printf "%-${acllen}s %s\n" "$perm" "$fn"
done

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

Linda,

We seem to travel the same mailing lists.  This is my first time to cygwin's.

I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
make a copy.

The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
difference (as expected)

$ ls -l lsacl.sh it
----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh

But your script does show a difference:

$ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
[u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
[u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it

My user id is "gaf".

fyi: I thought I knew how to read an ACL, but the above makes little
sense to me.  Note I can cat out "lsacl.sh", but I can't cat out "it".

Greg

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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Linda Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I've noticed on 2 different machines that if I copy (cp) a file I can
>> read with cygwin, I don't have permission to read the copy.
>
> ---
>         What does the acl say?
>
>         (Attached a script, lsacl, that I use -- it works
> with linux or cygwin and allows wildcards).
>
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> ## $Id: lsacl,v 1.5 2015-08-02 10:29:25-07 law Exp law $
> # Version 2 -- try to work with getfacl on cygwin
> #
>
>
> shopt -s expand_aliases
> alias int=declare\ -i           sub=function  string=declare
>
> gfacl=$(type -P getfacl)
>
> if ! type -f cygwin 2>/dev/null ; then
>         _un_=$(type -P uname)
>         if              [[ $_un_ ]] ; then _os_=$($_un_ -o);
>         elif    [[ -e /proc/sys/kernel ]]; then _os_=Linux;
>         else    _os_=Cygwin;
>         fi
>         if              [[ $_os_ =~ Cygwin ]]; then function cygwin () {
> return 0; }
>         else    function cygwin () { return 1; }
>         fi
>         unset _un_ _os_
>         export -f cygwin
> fi
>
> if cygwin 2>/dev/null ;then
>         [[ $gfacl ]] || { printf "FATAL: Cannot find getfacl in path\n";
> exit 1; }
>         sub gfacl () { "$gfacl" "$@"; }
> else
> ## linux version has broken semantics requiring "-p"
>         sub gfacl () { "$gfacl" -p "$@" ; }
> fi
>
> export -f gfacl
>
>
> sub facl2str {
>         string fn=${1:?"Need pathname"}
>         string s1='/^\#.*$/d; /^\s*$/d; s/\s*#.*$//;
> s/^(.)(ser|roup|ask|ther):/\1:/; y/\n/,/'
>         string facl=$(gfacl -a "$fn"|sed -r "$s1"|tr "\n" ",")
>         facl=${facl%,}
>         string dacl=$(gfacl -d "$fn"|sed -r "s/^default://; $s1"|tr "\n"
> ",")
>         dacl=${dacl%,}
>         printf "[%s/%s]\n" "$facl" "$dacl"
> }
>
>
>
> int acllen=0 maxfnln=0
> #for fn in "$@" ; do if ((maxfnln<${#fn})); then maxfnln=${#fn}; fi ; done
>
> sub acl_str () {
>         if cygwin ;then
>                 perm=$(facl2str "$fn")
>         else
>                 qfn=$(printf "%q " "$fn")
>                 out="$(chacl -l "$fn")"
>                 perm="${out#$qfn}"
>         fi
>         printf "%s\n" "$perm"
> }
>
>
> for fn in "$@"; do
>         int max=40
>         perm=$(acl_str "$fn")
>         int len=${#perm}
>         if ((len>_acl_len_)); then acllen=len; fi
>         if ((acllen>max));              then acllen=max; fi
>         printf "%-${acllen}s %s\n" "$perm" "$fn"
> done
>

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Linda,

> I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
> make a copy.
> 
> The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
> difference (as expected)
> 
> $ ls -l lsacl.sh it
> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh
> 
> But your script does show a difference:
> 
> $ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
> [u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it
---
	Well user 'gaf' (that's you, from the file perms has no access).

	So up front, you are denied before anything happens.

lsacl is the embedded acl (the '+') at the end of the file perms

u::--- =  user seen by 'ls -l' has no access, 
g::--- =  group seen by 'ls -l has no access
g:root:rwx = group root has read/write/execute access
g:Authenticated Users:rwx == group consisting of Authenticated Users...
(after you login or provide credentials).
m:rwx  m = a maximum allowed privs 'mask' for user/groups other
	than owner, but since all bits are turned on, it has no limiting
	effect
o:---  = other has no access

So the main take-away is that since your 'user' has no 
access, pretty much everything else is ignored.

From the mode-bits+acl, amost anyone in the groups:
root, Authenticated Users,SYSTEM, or Users, 
***except** User 'gaf' (you) should have access...

you might try 
1) chmod u+rwx file ... 

then look at both mode+acl... if you have no access
and acl still says u::---, then nuke the acl 
or modify it with "setfacl" (setfacl --help)...

> 
> We seem to travel the same mailing lists.  This is my first time to cygwin's.
> 
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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Linda Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>
>> Linda,
>
>
>> I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
>> make a copy.
>>
>> The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
>> difference (as expected)
>>
>> $ ls -l lsacl.sh it
>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh
>>
>> But your script does show a difference:
>>
>> $ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
>> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
>> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
>> [u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
>> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it
>
> ---
>         Well user 'gaf' (that's you, from the file perms has no access).
>
>         So up front, you are denied before anything happens.

Totally logical, but not accurate. )

I am the owner of both "it" and "lsacl.sh."

For both the user permissions are "---"  (why I don't know.  I created
lsacl.sh by a simple drag and drop out of firefox.)

I can cat out "lsacl.sh", but not "it".

I know "chmod +rw it" gives me access to the file.  The problem is
Windows is creating files with permissions like lsacl.sh routinely on
my system.

Then when I do anything to them in cygwin, the permissions are
modified to block my access.

I first noticed this because I was exporting CSV files from excel,
then editing them with vi from cygwin.

On the first edit, all was good.  After that, I no longer had
permission to access the file.

So, either:

- Windows 7 (on 2 different machines) has started using default
permissions that are bad on their face

- cygwin is not properly maintaining the permissions when it manipulates a file

Either way, I would really like a solution that doesn't involve a
manual chmod for every file I create via the normal Windows interface
and which I want to work with it in cygwin.

Greg


> lsacl is the embedded acl (the '+') at the end of the file perms
>
> u::--- =  user seen by 'ls -l' has no access, g::--- =  group seen by 'ls -l
> has no access
> g:root:rwx = group root has read/write/execute access
> g:Authenticated Users:rwx == group consisting of Authenticated Users...
> (after you login or provide credentials).
> m:rwx  m = a maximum allowed privs 'mask' for user/groups other
>         than owner, but since all bits are turned on, it has no limiting
>         effect
> o:---  = other has no access
>
> So the main take-away is that since your 'user' has no access, pretty much
> everything else is ignored.
>
> From the mode-bits+acl, amost anyone in the groups:
> root, Authenticated Users,SYSTEM, or Users, ***except** User 'gaf' (you)
> should have access...
>
> you might try 1) chmod u+rwx file ...
> then look at both mode+acl... if you have no access
> and acl still says u::---, then nuke the acl or modify it with "setfacl"
> (setfacl --help)...
>
>>
>> We seem to travel the same mailing lists.  This is my first time to
>> cygwin's.
>>
> ----
> Yeah... I wondered about that -- my Tbird tried to change my
> reply addr to suse(at)tlinx based on you being the 1st address I typed
> in... ;-)

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Ken Brown]

On 9/24/2015 2:52 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Linda Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
>> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>>
>>> Linda,
>>
>>
>>> I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
>>> make a copy.
>>>
>>> The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
>>> difference (as expected)
>>>
>>> $ ls -l lsacl.sh it
>>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
>>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh
>>>
>>> But your script does show a difference:
>>>
>>> $ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
>>> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
>>> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
>>> [u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
>>> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it
>>
>> ---
>>          Well user 'gaf' (that's you, from the file perms has no access).
>>
>>          So up front, you are denied before anything happens.
>
> Totally logical, but not accurate. )
>
> I am the owner of both "it" and "lsacl.sh."
>
> For both the user permissions are "---"  (why I don't know.  I created
> lsacl.sh by a simple drag and drop out of firefox.)
>
> I can cat out "lsacl.sh", but not "it".
>
> I know "chmod +rw it" gives me access to the file.  The problem is
> Windows is creating files with permissions like lsacl.sh routinely on
> my system.
>
> Then when I do anything to them in cygwin, the permissions are
> modified to block my access.
>
> I first noticed this because I was exporting CSV files from excel,
> then editing them with vi from cygwin.
>
> On the first edit, all was good.  After that, I no longer had
> permission to access the file.
>
> So, either:
>
> - Windows 7 (on 2 different machines) has started using default
> permissions that are bad on their face
>
> - cygwin is not properly maintaining the permissions when it manipulates a file
>
> Either way, I would really like a solution that doesn't involve a
> manual chmod for every file I create via the normal Windows interface
> and which I want to work with it in cygwin.

The problem could be caused by the default ACL on whatever directory 
you're working in.  You might consider running 'setfacl -b' and/or 
'setfacl -k' on that directory.  (Run 'setfacl --help' for more 
information.)

Ken


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Ken Brown <kbrown@cornell.edu> wrote:
<snip>
>
>
> The problem could be caused by the default ACL on whatever directory you're
> working in.  You might consider running 'setfacl -b' and/or 'setfacl -k' on
> that directory.  (Run 'setfacl --help' for more information.)


I just posted this, but it looks like directories created in cygwin
have reasonable ACLs, but directories created via "File Explorer" are
bizarre.

Where bizzare is defined as:
$ getfacl /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
# file: /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
# owner: GAF
# group: None
user::---
group::---
group:root:rwx
group:Authenticated Users:rwx
group:SYSTEM:rwx
group:Users:r-x
mask:rwx
other:---
default:user::---
default:group::---
default:group:root:rwx
default:group:Authenticated Users:rwx
default:group:SYSTEM:rwx
default:group:Users:r-x
default:mask:rwx
default:other:---

Here's getfacl for C:\

$ getfacl /cygdrive/c
# file: /cygdrive/c
# owner: TrustedInstaller
# group: TrustedInstaller
user::---
group::---
group:root:rwx
group:Authenticated Users:---
group:SYSTEM:rwx
group:Users:r-x
mask:rwx
other:---
default:user::---
default:group::---
default:group:root:rwx
default:group:Authenticated Users:rwx
default:group:SYSTEM:rwx
default:group:Users:r-x
default:mask:rwx
default:other:---

Is that what others have?

fyi: I just realized I installed "System Mechanic" around the time I
started seeing problems.  It is installed on both of the machines
having issues.  I wonder if it adulterated my ACLs in an attempt to
make my machine safer?

Thanks
Greg

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> 
> Totally logical, but not accurate. )
---
	What does it say if you do an 'lsacl' on "." 
(the parent directory).  

	This is a local file system?  NTFS?
Do you have process hacker?  Maybe the writing process has a different
integrity label or such.

Process hacker lets you see what the integrity labels are on files,
but to see what they are on files you'd have to d/l another util.
(chml/regil

>
> - cygwin is not properly maintaining the permissions when it manipulates a file
----
	May not be able to ... Windows trumps cygwin.
MS-regularly screws w/windows, .. it's like switching to a new
init system every month... ok.. maybe not quite that bad...


> 
> Either way, I would really like a solution that doesn't involve a
> manual chmod for every file I create via the normal Windows interface
> and which I want to work with it in cygwin.
===
	I can understand that -- that's sorta why I haven't upgraded
my cygwin lately -- She spent alot of time solving a problem that didn't
really appear on my system, so changing the whole security system -- well
I already know that cygwin doesn't respect existing standards or sources.
(overwrite windows mount points created -- and is shipping a login that
zeros your environment -- even when passed switch to not do so -- effectively
wipes your windows session -- forcing users to copy sessions from static
files to get around the problem.


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Linda Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Totally logical, but not accurate. )
>
> ---
>         What does it say if you do an 'lsacl' on "." (the parent directory).

$ ./lsacl.sh .
[u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---] .

But maybe this is interesting.  I just created 2 folders in C:\   .  I
did it at the C:\ level because I can't imagine I ever modified the
ACLs on C:\.

Anyway, one directory was created via "mkdir" in cygwin.  The other
via the file explorer.  Look at how different the ACLs are:

$ mkdir /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin

$ ./lsacl.sh /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/
[u::rwx,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:r-x/u::rwx,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:r-x]
/cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/

$ ./lsacl.sh /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
[u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---]
/cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/

What's that about?  Again I'm not expert at ACLs, but the ACLs on the
directory created via File Explorer look really strange to me.

>         This is a local file system?  NTFS?

Yes, C: drive. It's my local system drive on both computers and NTFS
on both machines.

> Do you have process hacker?  Maybe the writing process has a different
> integrity label or such.

No, but let me know if you still want me to pursue that.  For now I'm
thinking the ACLs on folders created via File Explorer are somehow
getting screwed up.

Thanks
Greg

> Process hacker lets you see what the integrity labels are on files,
> but to see what they are on files you'd have to d/l another util.
> (chml/regil
>
>>
>> - cygwin is not properly maintaining the permissions when it manipulates a
>> file
>
> ----
>         May not be able to ... Windows trumps cygwin.
> MS-regularly screws w/windows, .. it's like switching to a new
> init system every month... ok.. maybe not quite that bad...
>
>>
>> Either way, I would really like a solution that doesn't involve a
>> manual chmod for every file I create via the normal Windows interface
>> and which I want to work with it in cygwin.
>
> ===
>         I can understand that -- that's sorta why I haven't upgraded
> my cygwin lately -- She spent alot of time solving a problem that didn't
> really appear on my system, so changing the whole security system -- well
> I already know that cygwin doesn't respect existing standards or sources.
> (overwrite windows mount points created -- and is shipping a login that
> zeros your environment -- even when passed switch to not do so --
> effectively
> wipes your windows session -- forcing users to copy sessions from static
> files to get around the problem.
>

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Linda Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
>> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>>
>>> Totally logical, but not accurate. )
>> ---
>>         What does it say if you do an 'lsacl' on "." (the parent directory).
> 
> $ ./lsacl.sh .
> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---] .
> 
> But maybe this is interesting.  I just created 2 folders in C:\   .  I
> did it at the C:\ level because I can't imagine I ever modified the
> ACLs on C:\.
> 
> Anyway, one directory was created via "mkdir" in cygwin.  The other
> via the file explorer.  Look at how different the ACLs are:
> 
> $ mkdir /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin
> 
> $ ./lsacl.sh /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/
> [u::rwx,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:r-x/u::rwx,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:r-x]
> /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/
> 
> $ ./lsacl.sh /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated
> Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---]
> /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
> 
> What's that about?  Again I'm not expert at ACLs, but the ACLs on the
> directory created via File Explorer look really strange to me.
-----
	That looks like the 'Creator User & Creator Group Policies at work, 
which try to let you create a dir in root, but give limited access to
that dir -- but doesn't allow just any Creator to have full access...

I think you are seeing a trickle down effect from the creator owner policy 
and the creator group policy banning full access -- because if you look
at the security tab in explorer I'll be those are pretty restricted...


> 
>>         This is a local file system?  NTFS?
> 
> Yes, C: drive. It's my local system drive on both computers and NTFS
> on both machines.
> 
>> Do you have process hacker?  Maybe the writing process has a different
>> integrity label or such.
----
	Look at the acl in the Explorer 'security tab'  You find some extra
rules for 'creators' that are supposed to allow them to do things inside the dir
but not to the dir or some such.


> 
> No, but let me know if you still want me to pursue that.  For now I'm
> thinking the ACLs on folders created via File Explorer are somehow
> getting screwed up.
----
	'screwed-up' is relative -- i.e. in this case, likely what explorer
is designed to do, (screw you), *str8-face*...

	In the home directory you want to deal with this in (I wouldn't
suggest changing drives from root folder (I do such things and constantly end
up with 'shot-in-foot' type problems that I get to have 'fun' fixing! ;->)
But get rid of the creator rules so they won't propagate.... have to do it from
windows those because those entities aren't posix.


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Greg Freemyer!

> We seem to travel the same mailing lists.  This is my first time to cygwin's.

> I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
> make a copy.

> The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
> difference (as expected)

> $ ls -l lsacl.sh it
> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh

Notice the "+" at the end of basic POSIX access bits.
And use getfacl (or native icacl(s)) to view real permissions.

> But your script does show a difference:

> $ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
> [u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it

> My user id is "gaf".

> fyi: I thought I knew how to read an ACL, but the above makes little
> sense to me.  Note I can cat out "lsacl.sh", but I can't cat out "it".

Your system seems to be mangled. There should be no "root" user.

Also, please avoid top posting as per list rules.


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Thursday, September 24, 2015 21:35:24

Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Andrey Repin wrote: 
> Your system seems to be mangled. There should be no "root" user.
> 
> Also, please avoid top posting as per list rules.
----
	You are missing one?  Don't tell me, you have
Administrator instead?

Maybe that's why you see Greg's messages as top-posted, where
as I saw him as interleaving his response w/what I said? ;-)

	If you have Win7-Pro or above, you can rename Admin
and Guest accounts -- which is recommended for security reasons.

If you read windows 'rules', you'd know that... (so many rules
to read...really hard for someone to keep up)...

*cheers*
-l

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Linda Walsh!

> Andrey Repin wrote: 
>> Your system seems to be mangled. There should be no "root" user.
>> 
>> Also, please avoid top posting as per list rules.
> ----
>         You are missing one?  Don't tell me, you have
> Administrator instead?

No, I have my own account, that's quite enough.

> Maybe that's why you see Greg's messages as top-posted, where
> as I saw him as interleaving his response w/what I said? ;-)

>         If you have Win7-Pro or above, you can rename Admin
> and Guest accounts --

You can rename them in NT4, too. Just sayin'.

> which is recommended for security reasons.

Obscurity has no relation to security.
Oh, and these both are disabled on my systems.

> If you read windows 'rules', you'd know that... (so many rules
> to read...really hard for someone to keep up)...

There's no such rules as "rename default accounts".
It makes no sense and bears no reason.


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Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Andrey Repin <anrdaemon@yandex.ru> wrote:
> Obscurity has no relation to security

Tell any Army in the world about that theory.  They should save their
money wasted on camouflage, stealth technology, etc.

But, I did not knowingly add the "root" group.

Greg

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Andrey Repin wrote:
> Obscurity has no relation to security.
> Oh, and these both are disabled on my systems.
> 
>> If you read windows 'rules', you'd know that... (so many rules
>> to read...really hard for someone to keep up)...
> 
> There's no such rules as "rename default accounts".
> It makes no sense and bears no reason.
---
	Security best practices :

See "https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc747353%28v=ws.10%29.aspx"
and "https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj852273.aspx"


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Linda Walsh!

> Andrey Repin wrote:
>> Obscurity has no relation to security.
>> Oh, and these both are disabled on my systems.
>> 
>>> If you read windows 'rules', you'd know that... (so many rules
>>> to read...really hard for someone to keep up)...
>> 
>> There's no such rules as "rename default accounts".
>> It makes no sense and bears no reason.
> ---
>         Security best practices :

> See "https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc747353%28v=ws.10%29.aspx"
> and "https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj852273.aspx"

Bullshit. Both of them.
You may "guess this user name and password combination" of a disabled account
to your heart's content. It'll won't do square shit.
The only times where you use the default administrator account is when you
run domain recovery script from recovery console. And recovery console does
not use the account name, neither check for status. It only ask for password.
Solution: Ban default accounts and let attackers try their luck.

@Greg Freemyer: An "army in the world" does not have passwords and firewalls.
That's the only reason they are trying to rely on obscurity. Doesn't quite
work, as attacker could just carpet bomb the target positions.


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Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14:20

Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Linda Walsh]

Andrey Repin wrote:
 
> @Greg Freemyer: An "army in the world" does not have passwords and firewalls.
> That's the only reason they are trying to rely on obscurity. Doesn't quite
> work, as attacker could just carpet bomb the target positions.
---
password = obscure secret; crypto = hidden secrets that take time to find.

Both are a form of obscurity.

 

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Re: cygwin potentially corrupting permissions?

[Greg Freemyer]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Andrey Repin <anrdaemon@yandex.ru> wrote:
> Greetings, Greg Freemyer!
>
>> We seem to travel the same mailing lists.  This is my first time to cygwin's.
>
>> I saved your script as "lsacl.txt".  Then I used "cp lsacl.txt it" to
>> make a copy.
>
>> The copy is permission denied for reading.  Basic ls -l shows no
>> difference (as expected)
>
>> $ ls -l lsacl.sh it
>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:05 it
>> ----rwx---+ 1 gaf None 1630 Sep 24 12:00 lsacl.sh
>
> Notice the "+" at the end of basic POSIX access bits.
> And use getfacl (or native icacl(s)) to view real permissions.

I'm using Linda' script that does that, but here's the raw getfacl
output for 2 folders created in C:\    Note they have very different
ACLs.  Why?

$ getfacl /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/
# file: /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-cygwin/
# owner: GAF
# group: None
user::rwx
group::r-x
group:root:rwx
group:Authenticated Users:rwx
group:SYSTEM:rwx
group:Users:r-x
mask:rwx
other:r-x
default:user::rwx
default:group::r-x
default:group:root:rwx
default:group:Authenticated Users:rwx
default:group:SYSTEM:rwx
default:group:Users:r-x
default:mask:rwx
default:other:r-x



$ getfacl /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
# file: /cygdrive/c/Test-dir-created-in-file-explorer/
# owner: GAF
# group: None
user::---
group::---
group:root:rwx
group:Authenticated Users:rwx
group:SYSTEM:rwx
group:Users:r-x
mask:rwx
other:---
default:user::---
default:group::---
default:group:root:rwx
default:group:Authenticated Users:rwx
default:group:SYSTEM:rwx
default:group:Users:r-x
default:mask:rwx
default:other:---

That last one with the directory created via file explorer has truly
bizarre (to me) ACLs.  Normal?  If not, how do I fix it.

Note I have 2 different Win 7 boxes showing this same behavior.

>
>> But your script does show a difference:
>
>> $ ./lsacl.sh lsacl.sh it
>> [u::---,g::---,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] lsacl.sh
>> [u::---,g::r-x,g:root:rwx,g:Authenticated Users:rwx,g:SYSTEM:rwx,g:Users:r-x,m:rwx,o:---/] it
>
>> My user id is "gaf".
>
>> fyi: I thought I knew how to read an ACL, but the above makes little
>> sense to me.  Note I can cat out "lsacl.sh", but I can't cat out "it".
>
> Your system seems to be mangled. There should be no "root" user.

hmm..... I think that is a "root" group, not a "root" user.

I seriously doubt I created a root as a group.  Are you sure that
isn't standard with cygwin?

note: I love using cygwin, but I'm not very knowledgeable about user
and group management in cygwin.  On the other hand, I'm pretty good at
it in Linux. (I'm a 30+ year UNIX/Linux user)

> Also, please avoid top posting as per list rules.

If I did, I will try to avoid it in the future.  This e-mail is
interspersed.  I assume that is desired.

Greg

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