From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.aussiebb.com.au (smtp01.aussiebb.com.au [121.200.0.92]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2151D3858D35 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2023 08:24:54 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 2151D3858D35 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=shaddybaddah.name Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=shaddybaddah.name ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 2151D3858D35 Authentication-Results: server2.sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=121.200.0.92 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1697876709; cv=none; b=g0iaqxcbp7H+6ZFbDB/GfELyeEvgWA/Y+QqXW4e/2Xquw0uVmQqoH6P+oeJU9jg48bXPGEIVjKDQi5kemUWoEitq4b3xSmfzI9yNKxRr1RqeiqDBatud1xNlQBZ0GD3WiIlui9yDed+fiWcXqsbB3urHfvW0cZK+PgaANCZStvk= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1697876709; c=relaxed/simple; bh=G8Q0vV4C60HVXk41b1DqOTTOLeXtsE/pQsNPvLCyPnQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From; b=Vq9CjUgFMcLMB/XrH6lGKcjGdP0qCDvnonuNsIriRTaMRyzaNDPrQSXPpf5aAgwDUX+N6ok4zNuZ9aSY2n67rg15U4tEQ9m4dIRaUUurxEoW6OD0kQtIO72d23SopEM29hqa+DGB11Tyc2bprtxl/RHcX/ChPI93bmKQLVbljUc= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.aussiebb.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA608100309 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:24:48 +1100 (AEDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp01.aussiebb.com.au Received: from smtp01.aussiebb.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp01.aussiebb.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kecttkhi1Kr3 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:24:48 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by smtp01.aussiebb.com.au (Postfix, from userid 116) id C371D100380; Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:24:48 +1100 (AEDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from [IPV6:2403:5807:8ab9:1ec6:cb26:4b3c:ac08:56a] (2403-5807-8ab9-1ec6-cb26-4b3c-ac08-56a.ip6.aussiebb.net [IPv6:2403:5807:8ab9:1ec6:cb26:4b3c:ac08:56a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sb-beryllium@aussiebb.com.au) by smtp01.aussiebb.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDBA0100309 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:24:47 +1100 (AEDT) Message-ID: <56c54a91-7f9a-4eec-a1e4-1bf4429ebec4@shaddybaddah.name> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:24:40 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Cygwin/X - *bizarre discovery* doorknock like behaviour for new windows Content-Language: en-GB To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <3ee1ac1f-e828-4407-9826-74d3e70e77ad@shaddybaddah.name> From: Shaddy Baddah In-Reply-To: <3ee1ac1f-e828-4407-9826-74d3e70e77ad@shaddybaddah.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Hi, On 20/10/2023 12:40 pm, Shaddy Baddah via Cygwin wrote: > > > On 20/10/2023 11:50 am, Shaddy Baddah via Cygwin wrote: >> What I am seeing is that for Cygwin/X, in multi-window mode (and it >> just occurred to me it would be helpful to check the behaviour in >> rooted(? manual page terminology) mode. I'll follow-up on this)... >> in multi-window mode (Xwin -multiwindow), when I try to open an X window >> for any given app, it is not displayed on the first run. > > For completeness, rooted mode does not have this issue. > > Also, a further note, once reproduced, further reproductions may require > exiting XWin, and restarting it. I've found a bizarre, and to me, a hilarious, reason for this behaviour. So my assertion that it happens once per app is wrong. It happens only on the very first run of an X11 app on a newly started Xwin server. I guess I noticed this when I ran different X11 apps as the first run app against the Xwin server, and drew that longbow. Apologies for any confusion. But it still happens that very first time. *And* the app is actually displayed. Bizarely though, it is trapped within the confines of the ConEmu (https://conemu.github.io/) command session Xwin was started under. So if that ConEmu session is not at the front of the visible stack, you have no idea the app has been displayed/rendered. I haven't looked, but I speculate ConEmu, which is feature rich, has some feature that makes it act as a "rooted" X window? It feels like a reach though... the other theory is that something with it's DLL injection perhaps. I'll look at that separate from Cygwin/X though. I have tried using regular Windows command prompt, and this doesn't happen. Nor with the Windows (Metro) Terminal app. Again, sorry for any confusion this has caused. -- Regards, Shaddy