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[96.27.76.48]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j7sm14752891igv.22.2016.04.18.06.51.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Don't descend into a flame war. was: Re: native Linux userland in Windows 10 To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <416uDmm4T7200S05.1460552179@web05.cms.usa.net> <84CCF5B5-9F11-4541-A527-FD0BD3AE5545@etr-usa.com> <1117668279.20160414220758@yandex.ru> <20160414204000.GA7622@mercury.ccil.org> <204284648.20160415013838@yandex.ru> <20160414233421.GC29184@mercury.ccil.org> <754938730.20160415125306@yandex.ru> <20160415162738.GB17406@mercury.ccil.org> <1798352479.20160418002743@yandex.ru> <57147454.3070705@gmx.de> From: cyg Simple Message-ID: <5714E648.80606@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:51:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57147454.3070705@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-04/txt/msg00432.txt.bz2 On 4/18/2016 1:44 AM, Herbert Stocker wrote: > On 17.04.2016 23:27, Andrey Repin wrote: >> Greetings, John Cowan! >> >>> Andrey Repin scripsit: >> >>>> Of course, it is efficient. >>>> More efficient, than starting a shell each time I need to diff a file. >>>> Or 2-3 shells, if you call a wrapper. Which is least efficient, >>>> considering >>>> retarded CMD quoting rules. >> >>> I always have 2-3 shells running, >> >> Having shells running, and having 2-3 shells start between a request >> and the >> result is not quite the same thing, don't you think? >> >>> more if I am editing a lot of files. >> >> Having shells running for file editing? Sorry, what year you are >> living in? > > Editors like vim and others do have advances that other editors don't > have. It's not a question of year, it's a question of preference. > And of whether one goes over a high learning curve (like you also did, > i know) or a shallow one and stays there. (like some i have to do with > daily). All editors are the color of blue, it's the shade of blue that you're talking about. :D When I first started working the only editor being used by the ones that came before me was a line editor. After I was employed and started using a visual editor that incorporated a macro key command everyone else came to me to learn that editor. The point of an editor is to do editing, some of those editors allow that to happen in a faster fashion. The faster you can produce the better you look to the employer or client. > >> >>> But you live in a GUI world and I live in a CLI world. >> >> WHAT? > > i for example live in both worlds. GUI for many things, and CLI for > those things where the GUI exposes its shortcomings. That's why i say > Cygwin makes that OS complete. > A friend of mine says "Those who prefer a GUI have no CLUI." You can often be faster using CLUI (or CLI) than with a GUI. > >> >>> And no, cmd does not count as a shell. >> >> And yes, it do counts as a shell. By definition. >> > Using cmd to argue about cli is a mistake. Again, cmd.exe is a shell that can be executed within the MinTTY terminal. Windows provides a default terminal for the cmd shell. But you're correct it is off topic. -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple