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From: Steven Penny <svnpenn@gmail.com>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: dash-0.5.9.1-1
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:09:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58b1ba27.d603ca0a.b7fcf.8e60@mx.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed828046-15d2-6cbe-4e48-c3d72839572e@gmail.com>

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:46:08, cyg Simple wrote:
> If *your* script has a dependency to run using *dash* instead of *sh*
> then you _must_ use #!/bin/dash anyway.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Dash is. Dash is a
minimal shell, similar to the "sh" defined by POSIX:

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sh.html

So saying "a dependency to run using *dash*" makes about as much sense as saying
"Cygwin has a dependency to run using Cygwin". 

> And what I _*I*_ don't want dash as /bin/sh? You see not everyone in the
> community will agree.

With respect to the community, yes of course you get a say. If the community
doesn’t agree on this we will continue to use Bash. However you do not get a say
with respect to the standard. The POSIX standard specified that /bin/sh is the
shell I have linked above. Bash is a superset of that, so by definition those
extra features are not defined or guaranteed to exist. When writing /bin/sh
scripts, you should be assuming the users /bin/sh only has those features
defined by POSIX. Example:

#!/bin/bash -> script that follows might have Bashisms
#!/bin/dash -> script that follows might have Dashisms (echo -n, local)
#!/bin/sh -> script that follows should be a POSIX script

> You can make the suggestion to those using your script to do so otherwise but
> forcing dash as /bin/sh worldwide isn't something you can actually do.

Yes we certainly can. Debian and Ubuntu have already done this.


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-25 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-17 14:01 Eric Blake (cygwin)
2017-02-23  4:20 ` Steven Penny
2017-02-23 17:50   ` Andrey Repin
2017-02-23 19:46     ` Steven Penny
2017-02-23 19:59       ` Brian Inglis
2017-02-23 20:41         ` Eric Blake
2017-02-24  7:19           ` Yaakov Selkowitz
2017-02-23 23:44         ` Steven Penny
2017-02-24 14:32           ` Eric Blake
2017-02-24 19:19             ` Brian Inglis
2017-02-23 22:05       ` Andrey Repin
2017-02-23 23:01         ` Tony Kelman
2017-02-23 23:04           ` Eliot Moss
2017-02-23 23:12             ` Kenneth Wolcott
2017-02-23 23:30             ` Vince Rice
2017-02-23 23:35           ` Andrey Repin
2017-02-24  3:16           ` Larry Hall (Cygwin)
2017-02-24  3:18           ` Larry Hall (Cygwin)
2017-02-24  4:57             ` Steven Penny
2017-02-24 14:43               ` Eric Blake
2017-02-24 15:05                 ` Lee Dilkie
2017-02-25 16:55                 ` Steven Penny
2017-03-01 23:57                   ` Matt Seitz (matseitz)
2017-02-23 23:33         ` Steven Penny
2017-02-25 16:46       ` cyg Simple
2017-02-25 17:09         ` Steven Penny [this message]
2017-02-27 10:20           ` Csaba Raduly
2017-02-27 12:48             ` Steven Penny
2017-02-27 23:13           ` Duncan Roe
2017-02-28  0:51             ` Steven Penny
2017-02-28 20:52               ` cyg Simple
2017-02-28 21:43                 ` Steven Penny
2017-03-01 14:42                   ` cyg Simple
2017-03-02  0:22                     ` Steven Penny
2017-03-02  3:46                       ` Vince Rice
2017-03-02  5:27                         ` Steven Penny
2017-03-02  5:31                           ` Vince Rice
2017-03-02 12:36                             ` Steven Penny
2017-03-02 13:37                               ` Marco Atzeri
2017-03-02 14:29                                 ` Eric Blake
2017-03-02 16:16                                   ` Nellis, Kenneth (Conduent)
2017-03-02 17:28                                   ` Brian Inglis
2017-03-02 18:45                                     ` Eric Blake
2017-03-02 23:23                                       ` Brian Inglis
2017-03-02 18:28                                   ` Achim Gratz
2017-03-02 14:31                                 ` Brian Inglis

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