From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67348 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2018 16:00:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 16531 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jun 2018 16:00:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GIT_PATCH_2,TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 spammy=Apple, certainly, vendors, speeds X-HELO: Ishtar.sc.tlinx.org Received: from ishtar.tlinx.org (HELO Ishtar.sc.tlinx.org) (173.164.175.65) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:00:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.3.12] (Athenae [192.168.3.12]) by Ishtar.sc.tlinx.org (8.14.7/8.14.4/SuSE Linux 0.8) with ESMTP id w55G01hk066435; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <5B16B381.7010205@tlinx.org> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:00:00 -0000 From: L A Walsh User-Agent: Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Sheer CC: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Cygwin X11 Server slow performance References: <5d579671-213c-c742-05b2-b771a827b6f5@cygwin.com> <5B15D849.60308@tlinx.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2018-06/txt/msg00039.txt.bz2 Paul Sheer wrote: >> Maybe you aren't familiar with 'X'. X is just a graphical >> transport. It doesn't have menus unless some other program puts them up. >> Try 'X' on linux -- running it from startX from a console and see >> how easy it is to use. >> > > > NetSarang commercial X server has configuration menus to set keyboard > mappings, cut-paste behavior, and various other settings in a user > friendly manner. It has orders of magnitude faster performance in a > side-by-side comparison using XEmacs Motif as a test application > displayed remotely over a 1GB LAN. --- That's fine, but how much does NetSarang cost for 10-15 years of commercial support & upgrades? I use Gvim over a Gtk interface. The fact that you are comfortable with a 20 yr-old graphical interface, that was only reasonably supported by commercial Unix vendors puts you in a different class of users -- which was why I suggested an Apple based OS in the first place. > But that fact that you are using the reason "X is just a graphical > transport" as an excuse makes me realize it is impossible to have a > conversation with you. --- From my perspective, that's what it is, not too many programs are built on the Xlib et al. widget set. I tune my programs and I/O more for file I/O and know my toolsets enough to know that they don't do with small packets, but had file I/O tuned at 125megaB (mega=10**6) writes and 119megaB reads over a 1GB LAN and now get 600+MB(M=2**20) reads and 275+ writes over a 8Gb LAN (10 in name, but lose 20% to bus speed). My speeds now, in file I/O and in gvim are limited by CPU speed as Gvim does near full syntax parsing for error and color display. Realize though, that the fact that you prefer a commercial emacs version to a free X11+gtk Gvim sorta puts you more in a commercial apple class which is another reason I pointed at Apple based computers. Also, even the fact that you prefer emacs + motif...makes it less likely you'll be happy with something that requires more work on the part of the user to tune for the OS + hardware; again=> apple. I hope you appreciate my input, it certainly wasn't from a fanboy of any of the OS's, point of view, but you've indicated you want Cadillac features and support. I suggest and hope you find what you are looking for. (M=2**30) writes with -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple