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From: Andrey Repin <anrdaemon@yandex.ru>
To: Corinna Vinschen <cygwin@cygwin.com>, cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: RFC: 1.7.33 problem with user's home directory
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:05:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <671922837.20141114010459@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141113092702.GH2782@calimero.vinschen.de>

Greetings, Corinna Vinschen!

>> > 1. Utilize the homeDirectory AD attribute (aka %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%).
>> > 2. If homeDirectory is empty, fall back to /home/$USER.
>> 
>> This is just a subset of what I suggested, so I’m in favor of it.
>> (By subset I mean that I’d prefer you do essentially the same thing for the non-AD case, too.)

> This would be most easily implemented as well.

> The beauty here is that probably 99% of the home users don't set
> HOMEDRIVE/HOMEPATH in their SAM.

They are always set by default.

> So they get /home/$USER as fallback,

No.

> which is what they got with /etc/passwd as well.  And SAM users have the
> XML-like description field entry as well.

> For AD environments HOMEDRIVE/HOMEPATH are typically set, though.

HOMEDRIVE/HOMEPATH always set.

> Here the users get what they have to use as homedir anyway.

> It's simple, but it should work OOTB for most people.

Yes, it'll work. Just not as you expect it.

>> > 1. Always use /home/$USER and let the admins come up with a matching
>> >   mount point scheme.
>> 
>> That’s neglecting your responsibility as BDFL to set a sensible

> Heh.  I didn't see myself as BDFL yet.  Not sure if that's an honor.

That's a chore. But someone has to pull it.

>> default.  The consequence is that everyone will do it differently, and
>> then you’ll have to support everything on an equal basis, because you
>> chose not to endorse anything.
>> 
>> When you choose a sensible default, you get the option to criticize
>> and even deprecate wild alternative schemes.

> This is a philosophical argument.  You'd have to argue in how far
> always using /home/$USER is NOT a sensible default.

I can give you a whole list of reason, including quotes from Cygwin
documentation, why this is not a good idea.
And "cygwin is not an operating system" will be a red canvas through them.


--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@yandex.ru) 14.11.2014, <00:49>

Sorry for my terrible english...

  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-13 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-10 20:52 Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-10 21:18 ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-10 21:39   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11  7:30     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-11  0:50 ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11  2:42   ` Andrew DeFaria
2014-11-11  6:35     ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11  9:15   ` Frank Fesevur
2014-11-11 15:20     ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11  1:39 ` Jeffrey Altman
2014-11-11  6:19   ` Warren Young
2014-11-11  9:33     ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 10:00   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 13:52     ` Jeffrey Altman
2014-11-11 16:19       ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11  4:26 ` Yaakov Selkowitz
2014-11-11  6:05   ` Warren Young
2014-11-11  6:50   ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11  9:00     ` Marco Atzeri
2014-11-11  6:09 ` Warren Young
2014-11-11 10:18   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 11:06     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-11 11:14       ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 12:48         ` Habermann, David (D)
2014-11-12 16:27           ` Warren Young
2014-11-12 16:31           ` Warren Young
2014-11-12 17:55             ` Habermann, David (D)
2014-11-12 21:28               ` cyg Simple
2014-11-12 21:51                 ` Habermann, David (D)
2014-11-13  9:06                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-12 22:35                 ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11 16:45         ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-11 16:55           ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-26 21:16         ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-26 21:29           ` Cygwin AD schema and configuration extensions (was Re: RFC: 1.7.33 problem with user's home directory) Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-26 21:56             ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-27  9:36               ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-27 14:52                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-27 19:23                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-27 20:12                     ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-28  2:21                       ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-26 21:58             ` Habermann, David (D)
2014-11-26 23:15               ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-27 16:12           ` RFC: 1.7.33 problem with user's home directory Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-27 17:41           ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-28 12:48             ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-28 16:20               ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-28 17:04                 ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-28 18:34                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-29  9:36                     ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-01 17:50                       ` cyg Simple
2014-12-02  5:35                         ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-03 14:05                           ` cyg Simple
2014-12-03 20:20                             ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-04 12:21                               ` Linda Walsh
2014-12-04 13:47                                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-02 16:03                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-28 16:17             ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-03  7:35           ` Cygwin AD integration home/shell changes Andrey Repin
2014-12-03  9:16             ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-03 13:50               ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-04  9:40                 ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-05  5:20                   ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-05 10:13                     ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-05 20:20                       ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-06 10:08                         ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-04 15:49           ` RFC: 1.7.33 problem with user's home directory Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-05  5:35             ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-05 10:15               ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-05 21:20                 ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-06 11:08                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-12-10 20:52                   ` cyg Simple
2014-12-10 22:50                     ` Andrey Repin
2014-12-10 23:29                     ` David Stacey
2014-11-11 11:09     ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 12:11     ` Bryan Berns
2014-11-11 12:31       ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 15:35     ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-11 16:57       ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 20:20         ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-12 10:30           ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-12 20:35             ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-13  9:07               ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-13 21:50                 ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-14 10:32                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-17  4:05                     ` Andrey Repin
2014-11-12 16:45     ` Warren Young
2014-11-13  9:27       ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-13 22:05         ` Andrey Repin [this message]
2014-11-14 10:35           ` Corinna Vinschen
2014-11-11 10:01 Houder

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